17:06:57 <hislopg> #startmeeting POSSE Meeting 2
17:06:57 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu May 24 17:06:57 2018 UTC.
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17:06:57 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_meeting_2'
17:07:39 <hislopg> #chair heidie kussmaul
17:07:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: heidie hislopg kussmaul
17:08:01 <hislopg> Welcome to the second POSSE IRC meeting!
17:08:17 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 contains the agenda for this meeting
17:08:29 <hislopg> #topic roll call
17:08:42 <kussmaul> #info Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College, PA
17:09:02 <aroca> #info hi, Alberto of EquitableTech/DiverseScholar here
17:09:03 <hislopg> Please reply with a #info your name, your institution as Clif has done
17:09:06 <heidiellis> #info Heidi Ellis from Western New England University
17:09:14 <heidiellis> Welcome Alberto!
17:09:20 <hislopg> #info Greg Hislop, Drexel University
17:09:47 <hislopg> #chair heidiellis
17:09:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: heidie heidiellis hislopg kussmaul
17:09:57 <hislopg> Hossain?
17:10:24 <glikins[m]> #info glikins Red Hat
17:10:50 <kussmaul> wjin: we have started - please add yourself to the role call, as glikins did
17:11:38 <wjin> #info wjin
17:11:53 <wjin> #info wjin GGC
17:11:56 <Hossain> Hi I am here
17:12:31 <hislopg> Hossain: can you use a #info with name and institution?
17:12:31 <Hossain> #info Hossain KSU
17:12:37 <hislopg> thanks!
17:12:39 <hislopg> :-)
17:12:51 <hislopg> #topic Updates and Questions on POSSE stage 1 activities
17:13:03 <hislopg> How are people doing with the Stage 1 activities?
17:13:18 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities has the overview of Stage 1
17:13:19 <Hossain> Greg, did you mean Part B?
17:13:37 <hislopg> Part A,B, or C
17:13:59 <hislopg> If you're on Part B then you're probably doing pretty well, since that's on schedule
17:14:00 <heidiellis> The online activities.
17:14:57 <hislopg> Any questions on the activities?  or problems encountered?
17:15:03 <Hossain> Got it. My quick feedback on Part B..
17:15:14 <aroca> #info pretty much done PartA & working thru B but hv not logged latter
17:16:04 <Hossain> #info I completed all items in Part B, but I think github and openhub differences need to be understood better
17:16:12 <hislopg> aroca: thanks.
17:16:28 <Hossain> #info particularly openhub provides some project that seem have no code or I must miss how to get them
17:17:10 <hislopg> OK.  I'd appreciate it if you would log a note about where you had that difficulty..
17:17:40 <hislopg> OpenHub is an interesting data source, but it is somewhat uneven since the seem to do a lot of automated data collection
17:18:53 <hislopg> Any other comments about the learning activities?
17:18:57 <Hossain> #info yes, OpenHub provides some interesting piece of information that github does not such as what are other similar projects used by the same user
17:18:57 <kussmaul> wjin: how are the activities going for you?
17:20:19 <wjin> I am done with Part A and also logged the activities in my wiki page. Catching up on part B. Will be done by 5/27 :)
17:21:17 <hislopg> wjin: great!  please log feedback in the Google spreadsheet too
17:21:40 <hislopg> OK... let's move on
17:21:46 <hislopg> #topic Courses in which you plan to use HFOSS
17:21:50 <aroca> general Q re:academic wikis- is content not by-lined (author credit) on 'Read' page, i.e. typically anonymous. So hv 2 use 'View history' 2 follow authorship precedence?
17:22:39 <hislopg> aroca - correct
17:23:09 <hislopg> aroca: wiki's don't generally emphasize author - that's a key difference between wikis and blogs
17:23:36 <hislopg> Has anyone picked a course where you plan to try HFOSS activities?  And if yes, what is the course?
17:24:45 <kussmaul> see http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
17:24:51 <Hossain> #info I plan to pick Health Information Security & Privacy course to roll some activities around EHR available under HFOSS
17:25:09 <wjin> #info I'm considering to start a open source programming club for studnets coming out of a service learning course that I will teach next semester. It'll be open to other students as well.
17:25:24 <aroca> am not instructor-of-record so my POSSE participation 2 inform 1-day OSS campus workshops
17:25:59 <hislopg> wjin: are you familiar with the Mozilla student club effort?
17:26:18 <wjin> I was in the BOF session at SIGCSE
17:26:26 <hislopg> good!
17:26:58 <hislopg> We happen to have a guest attendee coming to this POSSE from Mozilla.  So you'll have lots of time to discuss that effort
17:27:17 <kussmaul> aroca: do the workshops target specific sorts of students? lots/little/no CS experience, etc?
17:27:57 <wjin> Great! If I teach software development in the future, I will try to incorprate HFOSS
17:29:06 <hislopg> #topic Questions about POSSE Stage 2 Activities
17:29:31 <hislopg> We have a draft agenda for Stage 2.  It will be updated some, but it will give you an idea of the face-to-face workshop.
17:29:45 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities for the Stage 2 draft agenda
17:30:22 <hislopg> Any questions about our stage 2 face-to-face workshop?
17:31:43 <aroca> EquitableTech workshops will be modeled after OpenHatch but at MSIs (HBCU, HSI, TC). 1st was Apr 28 @ TxSouthernUniv. Hv funding 4 2nd in SoCal @ HSI. Future depends upon $ since MSIs resource-poor & may hv 2 fly-in instructor & facilitators (OSS experts)
17:32:02 <wjin> How to select a proper project so that students can contribute is a question I have. I see that it is included in the agenda
17:32:46 <hislopg> wjin: project selection is something we talk about a lot
17:32:54 <aroca> #info for now EquitableTech workshops (like OpenHatch) are very introductory so open to all but I'm targeting MSI CompSci depts as 1st hosts
17:33:20 <hislopg> You have some exercises to start you in that direction and we'll talk more in Phila.
17:33:28 <Hossain> I think I also need to get some idea how to manage students group when not all of them are expert in programming or even troubleshooting...
17:33:59 <hislopg> Hossain: that is also a good topic for discussion in stage 2
17:34:09 <Hossain> great!
17:34:09 <aroca> #info Philly workshop Q: weather predictions?
17:34:13 <wjin> hislopg: For a course, will students work on the same project or different project?
17:34:38 <aroca> #info Q: will OpenMRS be discussed @ workshop since 3 of us have interest? if not, probably OpenFoodFacts my 2nd choice
17:34:38 <wjin> different projects
17:35:02 <hislopg> aroca: June is usually pretty nice here... could be hot but often quite reasonable.  not particularly rainy or dry
17:35:50 <hislopg> wjin: instructors have done both.  I've had classes focus on one project; classes that picked from a few projects; classes where they find their own project.
17:36:06 <hislopg> wjin: using one project is the easiest for the instructor
17:36:15 <Hossain> OpenMRS seems only open source EHR available, I know OpenEMR written in PHP/MySQL has a larger code base, not sure if it fits with HFOSS theme
17:37:21 <wjin> hidlopg: Thanks!
17:37:36 <hislopg> We'll at least discuss open medical record systems... and both that you mention are fine to consider
17:37:57 <hislopg> OpenMRS has had a recent fork of the community, so that complicates things.
17:38:40 <hislopg> #link https://librehealth.io/ is the fork
17:39:25 <hislopg> any other projects or courses people are considering targeting?
17:39:25 <aroca> am interested in any open MedRecord systems (not hv 2 b OpenMRS) & experience integrating w/classes eg database instruction
17:40:37 <hislopg> #topic Signing up for Stage 2 project and course groups
17:40:59 <hislopg> At the stage 2 workshop we have time to work in small groups.  To start to organize groups, we ask that you sign up for both a course as well as an HFOSS project that interest you.
17:41:20 <hislopg> It's not a long term commitment, but just a way to organize discussion at the workshop
17:41:44 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups is the page to indicate your course and project interest
17:42:02 <hislopg> It sounds like some of you are already thinking this through.
17:42:22 <kussmaul> although like student's college majors, people tend to change their minds a few times :-)
17:42:53 <Hossain> hislopg: thanks for the information.
17:43:12 <hislopg> OK... any other questions or comments?
17:43:22 <hislopg> If not, we'll end the meeting
17:43:46 <Hossain> when is our next IRC meeting before PHL onsite meeting?
17:44:14 <hislopg> We'll send out a doodle poll to schedule the final IRC
17:44:37 <Hossain> Thanks, pleasure talking with all.. see you again.
17:44:53 <hislopg> Thank you all!
17:44:57 <kussmaul> bye everyone!
17:45:02 <aroca> thx, bye
17:45:08 <wjin> Thank you!
17:45:13 <hislopg> #endmeeting