15:03:37 <heidi> #startmeeting POSSE Meeting 3 15:03:37 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 2 15:03:37 2019 UTC. 15:03:37 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:03:37 <zodbot> The chair is heidi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03:37 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_meeting_3' 15:03:58 <heidi> #chair heidi lorip kussmaul 15:03:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: heidi kussmaul lorip 15:04:12 <heidi> I hope that everyone had a relaxing holiday. 15:04:29 <lorip> elinwaring: do you see this? 15:04:35 <heidi> We have an agenda for today's meeting here: 15:04:38 <heidi> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3 15:04:57 <heidi> :-) 15:05:10 <heidi> Welcome everyone. 15:05:43 <heidi> Let's start with the roll call 15:05:46 <heidi> #topic Roll Call 15:06:02 <heidi> Please reply with a #info your name, your institution. For example: 15:06:14 <heidi> #info Heidi Ellis, Western New England University 15:06:21 <Guest68861> #info Mira Franke, Kean University 15:06:38 <Zhanyang> #info This is Zhanyang Zhang, College of Staten Island 15:06:43 <cmerlo> #info Chris Merlo, Nassau Community College 15:06:45 <kussmaul> #info Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College 15:06:47 <lorip> #info Lori Postner, Nassau Community College 15:07:17 <ceren> #info Canan Eren, Kean University 15:07:31 <lorip> hey heidi - elin wasn't able to see anything so I suggested quitting and reconnecting... 15:07:41 <heidi> Ah, OK. Thank you. 15:07:48 <Susan> Hi 15:08:00 <ying> #info Ying Zhou, Queens College, CUNY 15:08:01 <heidi> Hi Susan! We're doing intros, using the #info tag. 15:08:26 <Susan> Susan fro. CUNY Central/College of Staten Island 15:08:44 <lorip> hi elinwaring - are you seeing this? 15:08:50 <heidi> #info Susan, CUNY Central/College of Staten Island 15:09:09 <elinwaring> Yes! Hi everyone 15:09:23 <elinwaring> #infor Elin Lehman College 15:09:55 <heidi> I think that is everyone 15:10:19 <heidi> OK, first topic. 15:10:20 <heidi> #topic Progress on Stage 1 Activities 15:10:47 <heidi> BTW, the agenda for the call is here: 15:10:56 <heidi> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3 15:11:09 <heidi> Any problems/questions on stage 1? 15:11:56 <elinwaring> I have to apologize for not updating the spreadsheet even though i’ve been updating my wiki page. 15:12:07 <heidi> Ah, OK. 15:12:17 <cmerlo> Not yet. I'm a little behind still, but now that the holidays are over and everyone's back at school, I will have the time to catch up 15:12:24 <heidi> Updating the spreadsheet is helpful for us to keep track of where everyone is. 15:12:30 <heidi> cmerlo, Yup, I get that! 15:12:46 <heidi> So please so update the spreadsheet with your progress. 15:12:46 <cmerlo> It was so nice putting my son on the bus today. :) 15:13:10 <heidi> Oh! I get that too! 15:13:17 <Susan> I have a two day car ride back to NY so I plan to finish then. Of course when my husbanc drives!!! 15:13:27 <heidi> And then they go off for good and it feels less good. 15:13:47 <heidi> Susan, I've done something similar. Where are you driving from? 15:13:48 <Susan> And then they come back home to live.... 15:13:55 <cmerlo> Oh, I have some time still before that 15:14:05 <heidi> Oh! That too! My grocery bill triples when my son returns home. 15:15:01 <heidi> As this is our last IRC meeting before we meet next week, if you have any questions about the stage 1 activities, feel free to use the google list. 15:15:12 <heidi> To ask questions that is. 15:15:41 <Susan> Driving from Florida. 80 + degrees here today 15:15:52 <Zhanyang> Ok, I still stage 1c activity 2 and 3 to complete. I am in California visiting my daughter. 15:15:53 <heidi> So jealous! 15:16:02 <heidi> Zhanyang, fun! 15:16:24 <heidi> As you complete activities, please pay special attention to activities B.4 and C.3. 15:16:55 <heidi> These activities revolve around planning for including HFOSS in courses. 15:17:35 <heidi> We will use the results of these activities in the face-to-face meeting next week so it is important that you've thought a bit about courses. 15:17:36 <Zhanyang> I did B.4 but not yet C.3 15:17:41 <cmerlo> When we're done, can you post the URL of where the log of this chat will be, so that I can find what you just said again? 15:17:41 <lorip> hi sarahzeli - can you do a quick intro? 15:17:45 <heidi> Great! 15:18:10 <sarahzeli> #info this is Sarah Zelikovitz from CSI 15:18:21 <heidi> welcome sarahzeli 15:18:32 <lorip> heidi - where will the chat log be posted? 15:18:46 * heidi checks... 15:19:23 <kussmaul> https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/2019-01-02/ 15:19:29 <heidi> The logs for all meetings are posted: 15:19:32 <heidi> #link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/ 15:19:40 <cmerlo> Thanks! (And thanks @lorip) 15:19:40 <heidi> Yup, kussmaul beat me to it. :-) 15:19:45 <sarahzeli> I spent some time looking at B.4 and C.3. My concern is in how much background knowledge students will need to get up to speed with a FOSS project 15:20:05 <heidi> sarahzeli, good question! 15:20:21 <heidi> That is one of the questions we'll talk about in our meeting next week. 15:20:22 <lorip> sarahzeli - what class do you hope to incorporate HFOSS into? 15:20:43 <sarahzeli> especially since I am thinking of beginner courses -- students know only one language and one or two interfaces 15:20:51 <kussmaul> there are many ways to participate in and contribute to HFOSS projects without coding - this is a common misperception. 15:21:27 <elinwaring> Documentation, bug fixing, creating tutorials etc 15:21:27 <heidi> HFOSS projects are overjoyed when students do things like fix typos in documentation. 15:21:39 <elinwaring> +! know that from personal experience 15:21:52 <heidi> elinwaring, what project have you worked with? 15:22:31 <elinwaring> I was a long time contributor and maintainer for Joomla and also have been a contributor to CiviCRM … plus I have some R packages 15:22:46 <heidi> One very helpful contribution is to have students test the download and install instructions for the development environment and contribute any necessary changes back. 15:23:09 <heidi> Wonderful! The voice of experience speaks! 15:23:29 <heidi> What is CiviCRM? 15:23:49 * heidi quickly googles 15:23:55 <lorip> #link https://civicrm.org/ 15:23:56 <elinwaring> That’s actually mentioned in the wiki … it’s a constitutent relationship management system for non profiets 15:24:15 <heidi> elinwaring, so you're familiar with the community? 15:24:17 <elinwaring> it’s a php application that integrates with most of the major CMSes 15:24:19 <elinwaring> yes 15:24:52 <elinwaring> it’s been a while since i contributed to it but I know them, it’s not that big 15:24:52 * heidi thinks out loud about using Civicrm as one of the projects during the meeting next week... 15:25:01 <sarahzeli> OK, so if I am covering PHP in an intro class, students can add examples, or check documentation etc. It is a natural fit 15:25:03 <lorip> sarahzeli - it will really depend upon your goals how you will be able to incorporate HFOSS into a beginner course 15:25:22 <elinwaring> yes, actuallly if you would like me to talk to them let me know 15:25:47 <lorip> yes, and you can also look at code examples - you can have them trace code, understand the importance of good documentation, etc. 15:26:18 <heidi> elinwaring, are you willing to share your experiences next week? 15:26:30 <elinwaring> sure 15:26:38 <heidi> elinwaring, it could be that there are others who would be interested in joining you on that project. 15:26:43 <heidi> wonderful! 15:27:08 <Zhanyang> I am think to introduce version control and bug tracking in my SE class for writing software specification and software testing. 15:27:20 <heidi> Zhanyang, Cool! 15:28:07 <lorip> zhanyang - version control will the be topic of several sessions next week 15:28:10 <heidi> So the next topic is signing up for groups. 15:28:21 <heidi> #topic Stage 2 Group Sign-up 15:28:29 <heidi> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups to sign up 15:28:36 <Zhanyang> I have some experience using GitHub in my research project team and like to use it in my class as well. 15:29:12 <heidi> Don't worry too much about signing up for a specific project. 15:29:19 <lorip> as a side note to everyone, please make sure you have git installed on your laptop for next week and bring your github log in info... 15:29:34 <heidi> Please DO sign up for one or more courses which you would like to incorporate HFOSS. 15:30:13 <cmerlo> @lorip Command line Git? Or something else? 15:30:30 <heidi> And some of you have already signed up for courses. Great! 15:30:42 <lorip> cmerlo - yes command line 15:30:48 <cmerlo> ok 15:31:11 <heidi> Are there questions about signing up for groups? 15:31:19 <Zhanyang> Right now, I see only myself signed up for Software Engineering course. Are there others who may interested in? 15:31:21 <lorip> #link https://git-scm.com/ 15:31:42 <cmerlo> @heidi I have one 15:31:50 <heidi> Zhanyang, only a few folks have signed up for groups. 15:31:57 <heidi> go for it cmerlo. 15:32:05 <cmerlo> On that page, there are courses and projects. Should we pick one of each, or just one of the things, or what? 15:32:36 <heidi> cmerlo, Pick at least one course and possibly two. Don't worry about the projects. 15:32:42 <cmerlo> OK thanks 15:32:56 <heidi> We have found that different POSSE audiences tend to self-organize around either projects or courses. 15:32:58 <cmerlo> And so just edit the wiki page when we choose? 15:33:09 <miraa> I just signed up for SE, but I don't really teach that. I teach a senior project course where students do group projects 15:33:13 <heidi> This particular group seems to be more interested in specific courses so sign up for those. 15:33:19 <heidi> miraa, Sure, that's fine. 15:33:25 <heidi> cmerlo, yes, just edit the wiki page. 15:34:05 <cmerlo> OK thanks 15:34:18 <heidi> miraa, It sounds like your course is in the "capstone" are. 15:34:32 <miraa> yes, it's a capstone 15:34:45 <heidi> Yup, you're in the right group. 15:35:25 <heidi> Other questions about groups? 15:36:06 <Zhanyang> Mirra: we have many common interests in manage team work and communication in SE class and a capstone project. 15:36:10 <heidi> OK, next topic: 15:36:19 <heidi> #topic Good of the Order - Logistics 15:36:35 <heidi> The schedule for our meeting next week is here: 15:36:37 <heidi> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities 15:37:07 * heidi thinks that we had best add the location of the meeting to the Stage 2 page. 15:37:17 * lorip just thinking the same thing! 15:37:56 * lorip a map of the location probably would be helpful also... 15:38:31 <heidi> We are meeting in the John Jay college of Criminal Justice. 15:38:44 <cmerlo> @lorip What time do you think you and Darci will be getting to Penn Station? I see a train that can get me there at 8:00, and another at 8:13 15:38:48 <heidi> Room 6.67 15:38:52 <sarahzeli> Laptop with git installed...anything else that we need to bring? (besides all the username and passwords that are getting too many for me to remember!) 15:39:01 <heidi> sarahzeli, :-) 15:39:17 <heidi> Good question. Please bring a laptop if you have one. 15:39:18 <lorip> cmerlo - not sure, I need to look at schedules... 15:39:23 <cmerlo> ok 15:39:30 <Zhanyang> Is on campus parking possible? 15:39:31 <heidi> Tablets typically don't have sufficient power to handle things like the git activity. 15:39:40 <heidi> Zhanyang, Good question! I'll ask. 15:39:46 <lorip> heidi - is there an address? 15:40:01 * heidi checks... 15:40:27 <elinwaring> John Jay parting … hard but not impossible, either at the hospital to the east or one of the big public lots to the west 15:40:29 <heidi> 524 West 59th. StreetnNew York, NY, 10019 15:40:44 <heidi> Ah, thank you elinwaring. I'm not familiar with the area. 15:41:03 <elinwaring> Or across the street (59th) under the apartment building 15:41:23 <lorip> #link https://newserver.jjay.cuny.edu/directions-0 15:41:43 <Susan> Public transportation is easy. Any train that goes to Columbus circle works 15:41:45 <heidi> We will have a continental breakfast of pastries, muffins, etc. 15:41:53 <lorip> elinwaring - do you know which building? 15:42:39 <elinwaring> no, I just know it’s on the right if you turn left around the northern corner of the JJ building. 15:42:48 <Zhanyang> we may need to contact the college public safety office to let them know the events, if someone checks us at the entrance. 15:43:07 <heidi> Zhanyang, Yes, we are providing John Jay with a list of names. 15:43:25 <Zhanyang> Great, thanks. 15:43:27 <elinwaring> Bring ID 15:43:30 <heidi> I'm not sure exactly how the entrance works, but security will have your names and should know that you are arriving for a workshop. 15:43:38 <heidi> elinwaring, Ah, good advice 15:44:12 <lorip> based upon the address sounds like we are in the new building 15:44:43 <heidi> lorip, I didn't realize that John Jay had two buildings? 15:44:59 <Susan> Actually three but two are connected 15:45:02 <elinwaring> more than 2 15:45:20 <lorip> heidi - I didn't either until I went to their website and looked at the directions... 15:45:46 * lorip definitely need info on the schedule page as to where people should go, etc... 15:46:11 <heidi> lorip, Got that. 15:46:33 <heidi> It looked to me on the map like there was only one so good catch. 15:46:40 <miraa> yes, and maybe send out an email, too. 15:46:45 <elinwaring> There’s a certain amount of you can’t get there from here 15:47:00 <heidi> #info We will research the details of location and check-in and post via email and on the Stage 2 activities page. 15:47:14 <sarahzeli> thanks 15:47:27 <heidi> Breakfast will be pastries and muffins with coffee and tea. 15:47:42 <heidi> Lunch is sandwiches and we have included options for vegans and gluten free folks. 15:47:51 <heidi> Dinner will be at the Greek Kitchen. 15:48:05 <heidi> What other questions are there? 15:48:30 <cmerlo> Oh, yeah, when do you need to know if we can make it to dinner? 15:49:16 <heidi> Umm, two weeks ago? ;-) 15:49:22 <cmerlo> lol sorry :) 15:49:39 <heidi> The sooner the better. I'm calling the restaurant tomorrow so if I could know by COB today that would be helpful. 15:49:43 <cmerlo> We had to get past Christmas before we could start planning stuff for January 15:49:59 <cmerlo> I just have to make sure my wife can get my son picked up in time. 15:49:59 <heidi> Oh, I get that. :-) 15:50:08 <heidi> Yup, I get that too@ 15:50:29 <cmerlo> The place is near the school I assume? 15:50:47 <heidi> cmerlo, Yes, it is within a block. 15:50:50 <heidi> Walkable. 15:51:06 <heidi> We should also mention that only a subset of the team will be at the meeting next week. 15:52:13 <sarahzeli> OK, looking forward to meeting you and learning much more about this 15:52:16 <heidi> Greg (hislopg), myself, Lori (lorip), will be there. Darci may also join us. 15:52:34 <elinwaring> Looking forward to it! 15:52:37 <heidi> Yes! Me too! 15:52:54 <ying> I will be join you, Heidi. 15:53:07 <heidi> Wonderful! 15:53:12 <heidi> Are there any last questions? 15:53:13 <lorip> and we have a few POSSE alum joining us too! 15:53:34 <heidi> Oh, right! 15:56:14 <lorip> any other questions? 15:56:39 <cmerlo> Not from me 15:56:41 <sarahzeli> I'm sure I will have some in person next week...but not now 15:56:44 <heidi> OK, if questions arise, feel free to ask one of us or the list. 15:56:49 <Zhanyang> no question form me. 15:56:55 <heidi> Happy New Year! 15:57:01 <heidi> #endmeeting