19:03:37 <mchua> #startmeeting
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19:03:42 <mchua> #meetingname POSSE weekly check-in
19:03:43 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_weekly_check-in'
19:06:23 <mchua> #info Order of business for today: we're skipping more meta-level program design stuff and jumping straight to the list of upcoming POSSEs and walking them through a checklist.
19:06:29 <mchua> And then if we have time and people want to talk meta, we can.
19:06:46 <mchua> But I'm trying to keep up and improve the systematic "here's how we run a POSSE" thing.
19:06:59 <mchua> #topic Checklist for each upcoming POSSE
19:08:24 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Tentative_POSSEs
19:08:33 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/HOWTO_plan_a_POSSE
19:09:38 <mchua> That last link has old documentation on POSSE planning. I think it's too complicated, actually. We need to build it off a simple checklist of requirements.
19:09:49 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/HOWTO_plan_a_POSSE#The_short_version
19:15:52 * mchua is tinkering with that list in the background, un momento por favor.
19:19:40 <mchua> Ok, it's ready.
19:21:47 <mchua> Turns out there are only 8 things on the checklist.
19:21:49 <mchua> #info Main planner: A single point of contact who is ultimately responsible for the logistics of the workshop; having a team to help is highly encouraged.
19:21:52 <mchua> #info Date: Pretty self-explanatory. Needs to be 5 consecutive full days.
19:21:56 <mchua> #info Location : Pretty self-explanatory. Requirements are listed at http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/HOWTO_plan_a_POSSE#Find_space (basically, "chairs, tables, wifi with ssh and irc ports open, and the ability to leave things in the room overnight.")
19:22:00 <mchua> #info Focus What will your POSSE focus on, be it regional, disciplinary, institutional, or some other goal? (code, QA, documentation, design, liberal arts institutions, Spanish-speaking contributors, etc?)
19:22:05 <mchua> #info Project: Which open source community will you be working with? This must be a community at least one instructor has experience in, and the community the tech guru comes from.
19:22:09 <mchua> #info Instructors: At least 2 instructors and 1 tech guru; at least 1 instructor must have prior POSSE experience (attending or instructing). See http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_Instructors for more details.
19:22:13 <mchua> #info Sponsorship: How will expenses for this POSSE be covered? At a minimum, instructor and tech-guru travel/expenses (and possibly a stipend) will be needed, as well as graduation dinner for all POSSE attendees and a handful (3-10) of local FOSS contributors on the 4th night.
19:22:18 <mchua> #info Attendees: We need a minimum of 5 attendees to run a POSSE.
19:22:21 * mchua renames "main planner" to "point person" for sanity
19:22:51 <mchua> Now... what's the list of tentative POSSEs?
19:22:52 * mchua looks
19:23:00 <mchua> #topic What's the list of tentative POSSEs?
19:23:21 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Tentative_POSSEs
19:24:12 <mchua> #info 1 South Africa
19:24:13 <mchua> #info 2 Kernel
19:24:13 <mchua> #info 3 Malaysia
19:24:13 <mchua> #info 4 Philippines
19:24:13 <mchua> #info 5 EMEA
19:24:15 <mchua> #info 6 Design
19:24:18 <mchua> #info 7 China
19:24:20 <mchua> #info 8 California
19:24:22 <mchua> #info 9 Kansas
19:24:25 <mchua> #info 10 Arizona
19:24:28 <mchua> #info 11 Embedded
19:24:30 <mchua> And now... we apply the checklist to the list.
19:24:32 <mchua> #topic POSSE South Africa
19:24:53 <mchua> #info Point Person - yes, Michael Adeyeye.
19:25:11 <mchua> #info Date - October 3-8, 2010
19:25:26 <mchua> #info Location - Cape Peninsula University of Technology (hosted by the department of information systems)
19:25:56 <mchua> #info Focus - CS, and being the first POSSE in Africa (building capacity to teach other POSSEs in the region)
19:26:03 <mchua> #info Project - Fedora
19:26:16 <mchua> #info Instructors - Jan Wildeboer, Mel Chua, and a Fedora tech guru in the process of being identified.
19:26:31 <mchua> #action micadeyeye and mchua select a tech guru for POSSE South Africa
19:27:08 <mchua> #info Sponsorship - Instructor expenses have been requested from Red Hat, and CPUT is sponsoring Thursday's dinner, so if we have attendees the sponsorship will be approved and we'll be all set.
19:27:36 <mchua> #info Attendees - need 5 applications (and hopefully more than 5 attendees!)
19:27:50 <mchua> #note Overall, POSSE South Africa looks great, and it's time to start recruiting attendees.
19:28:16 <mchua> As a side note, I'd like to use the application system ianweller has been coding up for us for POSSE South Africa if possible; Ian will let us know when that's good to go.
19:28:24 <mchua> #topic POSSE Kernel Hacking
19:28:40 <mchua> #info Point Person - Matthew Whitehead
19:28:53 <mchua> #info Date - Not yet chosen; we're looking into Fall 2010 as a possibility, and our go/no-go date for that is June 1st. If it is no-go, we'll bump to Spring or Summer 2011.
19:29:04 <mchua> #info Location - Not yet chosen, U of Alabama at Huntsville proposed due to proximity to potential instructors.
19:29:11 <mchua> #info Project - Linux kernel
19:29:21 <mchua> #info Instructors - not yet arranged
19:29:45 <mchua> #info Sponsorship and Attendees - not yet arranged
19:30:16 <mchua> #note POSSE Kernel Hacking has a lot of things to work on before it's ready to go; suggested target date of June 2011.
19:30:34 <mchua> #topic POSSE Malaysia
19:30:52 <mchua> #info Point person - Izhar Firdaus, Inigo Consulting
19:31:02 <mchua> #info Date - December 13-17, 2010
19:31:15 <mchua> #info Location: KPerak (http://www.kperak.com.my/)
19:31:30 <mchua> #info Project - not yet arranged, dependent on instructors.
19:31:55 <mchua> #info Instructors - tentatively, Harish Pillay and Mel Chua (which would imply a Fedora-centered POSSE). No tech guru yet.
19:32:09 <mchua> #info Sponsorship and attendees - not yet arranged.
19:32:29 <mchua> #note POSSE Malaysia needs to figure out instructors and sponsorship to get on track.
19:33:09 <mchua> #action KageSenshi figure out instructors and sponsorship for POSSE Malaysia; confirm availability of Harish and a tech guru and we'll be set.
19:33:21 <mchua> (for instructors - then the question will be sponsorship.)
19:33:29 <mchua> #topic POSSE Philippines
19:35:38 <mchua> #info Point person: Magie Antonio, Bluepoint (others interested in helping: Engels Antonio, Heherson Pagcaliwagan, Ray Baquiran)
19:35:41 <mchua> #info Date - Not finalized; proposed date range is sometime in October 2010, but this is starting to no longer look realistic - during the Filipino summer break in April/May may be best.
19:35:45 <mchua> #info Location: Not yet arranged, proposed locations are UPD, ADMU, or APC.
19:35:49 <mchua> #info Project: Not yet arranged, dependent on instructors
19:35:51 <mchua> #info Instructors: Not yet arranged.
19:35:54 <mchua> #info Sponsorship: Not yet arranged.
19:35:56 <mchua> #info Attendees: No count yet (need at least 5).
19:35:57 <mchua> #note POSSE Philippines should re-evaluate its target date and figure out instructors and sponsorship if it wants to run.
19:36:24 <mchua> #topic POSSE EMEA
19:37:15 <mchua> #note The details for this are pretty vague (no date, no institution, no focus); I'm going to email the interested parties and drop it from the list until there's a more concrete proposal.
19:37:24 <mchua> #topic POSSE Design
19:38:17 <mchua> (it strikes me that our way of naming POSSEs is a bit clunky, but oh well.)
19:39:25 <mchua> #info Point person - Sebastian Dziallas
19:39:25 <mchua> #info Date - June 2011, final date not set
19:39:25 <mchua> #info Location - Olin College, Needham MA USA
19:39:25 <mchua> #info Focus - Design/HCI/UI
19:39:25 <mchua> #info Project - Fedora
19:39:28 <mchua> #info Instructors - Not set, but Mo Duffy would be one instructor (need a professor as well, several candidates available)
19:39:31 <mchua> #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat
19:39:34 <mchua> #info Attendees - None yet
19:39:42 <mchua> #note POSSE Design needs to figure out instructors first, and whether Olin can indeed host.
19:39:48 <mchua> #action sdziallas figure out instructors, hosting for POSSE Design
19:39:58 <mchua> #topic POSSE China
19:40:15 <mchua> #note On hold; dropping from list until we have concrete plans, similar to EMEA.
19:40:26 <mchua> #topic POSSE California
19:42:24 <mchua> #info Point person - Karsten Wade
19:42:24 <mchua> #info Date - June 2011, final date not set
19:42:24 <mchua> #info Location - Not finalized, but University of Santa Cruz or nearby is target, Red Hat Mountain View office as backup.
19:42:27 <mchua> #info Focus - Either CS or CMS
19:42:29 <mchua> #info Project - If CS, Fedora. If CMS, Drupal.
19:42:32 <mchua> #info Instructors - If Fedora, Karsten Wade and one other person (Mel Chua as backup) with a local tech guru. If Drupal, instructors still need to be identified.
19:42:34 <mchua> #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat
19:42:37 <mchua> #info Attendees - None yet
19:42:39 <mchua> #note POSSE California needs to pick a focus and recruit instructors based on that.
19:42:43 <mchua> #action quaid pick a focus for POSSE California and find instructors
19:42:45 <mchua> #topic POSSE Kansas
19:43:51 <mchua> #info Point person - Ian Weller
19:43:52 <mchua> #info Date - June 2011, final date not set
19:43:52 <mchua> #info Location - University of Kansas (needs to be confirmed)
19:43:52 <mchua> #info Focus - CS
19:43:52 <mchua> #info Project - Fedora
19:43:54 <mchua> #info Instructors - Tech guru Ian Weller, instructors TBD
19:43:56 <mchua> #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat
19:43:59 <mchua> #info Attendees - None yet
19:44:01 <mchua> #note POSSE Kansas needs to confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date.
19:44:05 <mchua> #action ianweller confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date for POSSE Kansas
19:44:08 <mchua> #topic POSSE Arizona
19:44:24 <mchua> #info Point person - Ryan Rix
19:44:24 <mchua> #info Date - June 2011, final date not set
19:44:24 <mchua> #info Location - Arizona State University (needs to be confirmed)
19:44:24 <mchua> #info Focus - CS
19:44:24 <mchua> #info Project - Fedora/KDE
19:44:27 <mchua> #info Instructors - Tech guru Ryan Rix, instructors TBD
19:44:29 <mchua> #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat
19:44:30 <ianweller> mchua: oh boy
19:44:32 <mchua> #info Attendees - None yet
19:44:34 <mchua> #note POSSE Arizona needs to confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date.
19:44:38 <mchua> #action rrix confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date for POSSE Arizona
19:44:41 <rrix> Wah
19:45:01 <mchua> ianweller, rrix, sdziallas: I totally realize the three of you need to get started in school first and all that, but it's just something to keep in mind for fall semester, that's all.
19:45:14 <rrix> okie :)
19:45:16 <mchua> You'll get periodic nags as soon as I set up that email to go out weekly or so. ;)
19:45:29 <rrix> :)
19:45:38 * ianweller read that as "I totally realize that you're being thrown into a shark pool and you need to ask the sharks for favors before you've tested the waters, but..."
19:45:42 <mchua> But start talking with profs, etc... happy to help with those conversations as I can.
19:45:58 <ianweller> mchua: i'll shoot for a 2011-06 date but it'll likely be 2012 ;)
19:46:15 <mchua> ianweller: no, see, it's "jump into shark pool bearing tasty meat as peace and friendship offering"
19:46:23 <mchua> ianweller: Noted.
19:46:26 <mchua> That's ok too!
19:48:46 <mchua> #info Point person - Jeff Osier-Mixon
19:48:46 <mchua> #info Date - Not yet set
19:48:47 <mchua> #info Location - Not yet set (probably "somewhere in California")
19:48:47 <mchua> #info Focus - Embedded development
19:48:47 <mchua> #info Project - Beagleboard
19:48:49 <mchua> #info Instructors - Jeff Osier-Mixon, need tech guru and instructor OR 2 instructors if Jeff decides to serve as tech guru
19:48:52 <mchua> #info Sponsorship - Not set
19:48:55 <mchua> #info Attendees - None yet
19:48:57 <mchua> #action Jefro figure out a target date and instructors as the first thing to focus on - I'd suggest either winter break or summer 2011 as good targets.
19:49:01 <mchua> #topic Overall POSSE status
19:49:19 <mchua> #info It looks like South Africa is in good shape to happen in October.
19:49:20 <rrix> mchua: tasty meat just puts them in a frenzy ;)
19:49:24 <mchua> #info I'm also optimistic about Malaysia.
19:49:32 <mchua> rrix: Yeah, but we can direct that frenzy into FOSS CONTRIBUTIONS!!!!
19:49:36 <mchua> <--- idealist
19:49:49 <rrix> hehehe :)
19:49:50 <mchua> #info I have high hopes for Kansas (eventually), Arizona, Design, and California.
19:50:03 <mchua> #info However, they (and other POSSEs) have a lot of planning to do. ;)
19:50:14 <mchua> #info Prospect of targeting a LATAM POSSE at some point?
19:50:23 <mchua> (...we can look into that later.)
19:50:43 <mchua> #info There was interest from FUDCon Chile in having a POSSE at the host location there, will investigate.
19:51:03 <mchua> I believe that's our status update. I'll send that to the point people for the original POSSE and then we'll proceed with the curriculum revision.
19:51:07 <mchua> Whoops, #note
19:51:09 <mchua> #note I believe that's our status update. I'll send that to the point people for the original POSSE and then we'll proceed with the curriculum revision.
19:51:22 <rrix> lol
19:51:46 <mchua> #note POSSE South Africa looks like it will be the first POSSE to try the new registration system (thanks ianweller!) and curriculum, plus the TOS textbook refresh as a resource (quaid is working on that).
19:51:51 <mchua> That's it.
19:51:53 <mchua> #topic open floor
19:52:03 <mchua> I'll leave this running for a bit in case anyone wants to chime in with questions and whatnot.
19:52:19 <ianweller> #note POSSE registration system should (should) be done by end of this week
19:52:35 <ianweller> i'll see what i can get done tonight, but i'm spending all day wed/thu on fedora brand
19:53:05 <mchua> ianweller: Yeah, we can do handoff on Thursday night if nothing else.
19:54:54 <ianweller> nod.
19:56:17 <mchua> ...okay, I think that's it.
19:56:36 <mchua> I have updates to push to the list, an opensource.com/education article to finish up on this summer's POSSEs (which should wrap us up for notes in the summer)
19:56:55 <mchua> and then my focus will be on followup with Worcester/RIT alumni in parallel with curriculum revision for October + South Africa.
19:57:07 <mchua> Thanks for listening to me ramble, folks.
19:57:14 <mchua> And ianweller, I'll see you and posseapp on Thursday.
19:57:18 <mchua> #endmeeting