19:03:37 #startmeeting 19:03:37 Meeting started Tue Jul 27 19:03:37 2010 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:42 #meetingname POSSE weekly check-in 19:03:43 The meeting name has been set to 'posse_weekly_check-in' 19:06:23 #info Order of business for today: we're skipping more meta-level program design stuff and jumping straight to the list of upcoming POSSEs and walking them through a checklist. 19:06:29 And then if we have time and people want to talk meta, we can. 19:06:46 But I'm trying to keep up and improve the systematic "here's how we run a POSSE" thing. 19:06:59 #topic Checklist for each upcoming POSSE 19:08:24 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Tentative_POSSEs 19:08:33 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/HOWTO_plan_a_POSSE 19:09:38 That last link has old documentation on POSSE planning. I think it's too complicated, actually. We need to build it off a simple checklist of requirements. 19:09:49 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/HOWTO_plan_a_POSSE#The_short_version 19:15:52 * mchua is tinkering with that list in the background, un momento por favor. 19:19:40 Ok, it's ready. 19:21:47 Turns out there are only 8 things on the checklist. 19:21:49 #info Main planner: A single point of contact who is ultimately responsible for the logistics of the workshop; having a team to help is highly encouraged. 19:21:52 #info Date: Pretty self-explanatory. Needs to be 5 consecutive full days. 19:21:56 #info Location : Pretty self-explanatory. Requirements are listed at http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/HOWTO_plan_a_POSSE#Find_space (basically, "chairs, tables, wifi with ssh and irc ports open, and the ability to leave things in the room overnight.") 19:22:00 #info Focus What will your POSSE focus on, be it regional, disciplinary, institutional, or some other goal? (code, QA, documentation, design, liberal arts institutions, Spanish-speaking contributors, etc?) 19:22:05 #info Project: Which open source community will you be working with? This must be a community at least one instructor has experience in, and the community the tech guru comes from. 19:22:09 #info Instructors: At least 2 instructors and 1 tech guru; at least 1 instructor must have prior POSSE experience (attending or instructing). See http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_Instructors for more details. 19:22:13 #info Sponsorship: How will expenses for this POSSE be covered? At a minimum, instructor and tech-guru travel/expenses (and possibly a stipend) will be needed, as well as graduation dinner for all POSSE attendees and a handful (3-10) of local FOSS contributors on the 4th night. 19:22:18 #info Attendees: We need a minimum of 5 attendees to run a POSSE. 19:22:21 * mchua renames "main planner" to "point person" for sanity 19:22:51 Now... what's the list of tentative POSSEs? 19:22:52 * mchua looks 19:23:00 #topic What's the list of tentative POSSEs? 19:23:21 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Tentative_POSSEs 19:24:12 #info 1 South Africa 19:24:13 #info 2 Kernel 19:24:13 #info 3 Malaysia 19:24:13 #info 4 Philippines 19:24:13 #info 5 EMEA 19:24:15 #info 6 Design 19:24:18 #info 7 China 19:24:20 #info 8 California 19:24:22 #info 9 Kansas 19:24:25 #info 10 Arizona 19:24:28 #info 11 Embedded 19:24:30 And now... we apply the checklist to the list. 19:24:32 #topic POSSE South Africa 19:24:53 #info Point Person - yes, Michael Adeyeye. 19:25:11 #info Date - October 3-8, 2010 19:25:26 #info Location - Cape Peninsula University of Technology (hosted by the department of information systems) 19:25:56 #info Focus - CS, and being the first POSSE in Africa (building capacity to teach other POSSEs in the region) 19:26:03 #info Project - Fedora 19:26:16 #info Instructors - Jan Wildeboer, Mel Chua, and a Fedora tech guru in the process of being identified. 19:26:31 #action micadeyeye and mchua select a tech guru for POSSE South Africa 19:27:08 #info Sponsorship - Instructor expenses have been requested from Red Hat, and CPUT is sponsoring Thursday's dinner, so if we have attendees the sponsorship will be approved and we'll be all set. 19:27:36 #info Attendees - need 5 applications (and hopefully more than 5 attendees!) 19:27:50 #note Overall, POSSE South Africa looks great, and it's time to start recruiting attendees. 19:28:16 As a side note, I'd like to use the application system ianweller has been coding up for us for POSSE South Africa if possible; Ian will let us know when that's good to go. 19:28:24 #topic POSSE Kernel Hacking 19:28:40 #info Point Person - Matthew Whitehead 19:28:53 #info Date - Not yet chosen; we're looking into Fall 2010 as a possibility, and our go/no-go date for that is June 1st. If it is no-go, we'll bump to Spring or Summer 2011. 19:29:04 #info Location - Not yet chosen, U of Alabama at Huntsville proposed due to proximity to potential instructors. 19:29:11 #info Project - Linux kernel 19:29:21 #info Instructors - not yet arranged 19:29:45 #info Sponsorship and Attendees - not yet arranged 19:30:16 #note POSSE Kernel Hacking has a lot of things to work on before it's ready to go; suggested target date of June 2011. 19:30:34 #topic POSSE Malaysia 19:30:52 #info Point person - Izhar Firdaus, Inigo Consulting 19:31:02 #info Date - December 13-17, 2010 19:31:15 #info Location: KPerak (http://www.kperak.com.my/) 19:31:30 #info Project - not yet arranged, dependent on instructors. 19:31:55 #info Instructors - tentatively, Harish Pillay and Mel Chua (which would imply a Fedora-centered POSSE). No tech guru yet. 19:32:09 #info Sponsorship and attendees - not yet arranged. 19:32:29 #note POSSE Malaysia needs to figure out instructors and sponsorship to get on track. 19:33:09 #action KageSenshi figure out instructors and sponsorship for POSSE Malaysia; confirm availability of Harish and a tech guru and we'll be set. 19:33:21 (for instructors - then the question will be sponsorship.) 19:33:29 #topic POSSE Philippines 19:35:38 #info Point person: Magie Antonio, Bluepoint (others interested in helping: Engels Antonio, Heherson Pagcaliwagan, Ray Baquiran) 19:35:41 #info Date - Not finalized; proposed date range is sometime in October 2010, but this is starting to no longer look realistic - during the Filipino summer break in April/May may be best. 19:35:45 #info Location: Not yet arranged, proposed locations are UPD, ADMU, or APC. 19:35:49 #info Project: Not yet arranged, dependent on instructors 19:35:51 #info Instructors: Not yet arranged. 19:35:54 #info Sponsorship: Not yet arranged. 19:35:56 #info Attendees: No count yet (need at least 5). 19:35:57 #note POSSE Philippines should re-evaluate its target date and figure out instructors and sponsorship if it wants to run. 19:36:24 #topic POSSE EMEA 19:37:15 #note The details for this are pretty vague (no date, no institution, no focus); I'm going to email the interested parties and drop it from the list until there's a more concrete proposal. 19:37:24 #topic POSSE Design 19:38:17 (it strikes me that our way of naming POSSEs is a bit clunky, but oh well.) 19:39:25 #info Point person - Sebastian Dziallas 19:39:25 #info Date - June 2011, final date not set 19:39:25 #info Location - Olin College, Needham MA USA 19:39:25 #info Focus - Design/HCI/UI 19:39:25 #info Project - Fedora 19:39:28 #info Instructors - Not set, but Mo Duffy would be one instructor (need a professor as well, several candidates available) 19:39:31 #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat 19:39:34 #info Attendees - None yet 19:39:42 #note POSSE Design needs to figure out instructors first, and whether Olin can indeed host. 19:39:48 #action sdziallas figure out instructors, hosting for POSSE Design 19:39:58 #topic POSSE China 19:40:15 #note On hold; dropping from list until we have concrete plans, similar to EMEA. 19:40:26 #topic POSSE California 19:42:24 #info Point person - Karsten Wade 19:42:24 #info Date - June 2011, final date not set 19:42:24 #info Location - Not finalized, but University of Santa Cruz or nearby is target, Red Hat Mountain View office as backup. 19:42:27 #info Focus - Either CS or CMS 19:42:29 #info Project - If CS, Fedora. If CMS, Drupal. 19:42:32 #info Instructors - If Fedora, Karsten Wade and one other person (Mel Chua as backup) with a local tech guru. If Drupal, instructors still need to be identified. 19:42:34 #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat 19:42:37 #info Attendees - None yet 19:42:39 #note POSSE California needs to pick a focus and recruit instructors based on that. 19:42:43 #action quaid pick a focus for POSSE California and find instructors 19:42:45 #topic POSSE Kansas 19:43:51 #info Point person - Ian Weller 19:43:52 #info Date - June 2011, final date not set 19:43:52 #info Location - University of Kansas (needs to be confirmed) 19:43:52 #info Focus - CS 19:43:52 #info Project - Fedora 19:43:54 #info Instructors - Tech guru Ian Weller, instructors TBD 19:43:56 #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat 19:43:59 #info Attendees - None yet 19:44:01 #note POSSE Kansas needs to confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date. 19:44:05 #action ianweller confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date for POSSE Kansas 19:44:08 #topic POSSE Arizona 19:44:24 #info Point person - Ryan Rix 19:44:24 #info Date - June 2011, final date not set 19:44:24 #info Location - Arizona State University (needs to be confirmed) 19:44:24 #info Focus - CS 19:44:24 #info Project - Fedora/KDE 19:44:27 #info Instructors - Tech guru Ryan Rix, instructors TBD 19:44:29 #info Sponsorship - Not set, but plan to request from Red Hat 19:44:30 mchua: oh boy 19:44:32 #info Attendees - None yet 19:44:34 #note POSSE Arizona needs to confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date. 19:44:38 #action rrix confirm hosting, find instructors, and set a date for POSSE Arizona 19:44:41 Wah 19:45:01 ianweller, rrix, sdziallas: I totally realize the three of you need to get started in school first and all that, but it's just something to keep in mind for fall semester, that's all. 19:45:14 okie :) 19:45:16 You'll get periodic nags as soon as I set up that email to go out weekly or so. ;) 19:45:29 :) 19:45:38 * ianweller read that as "I totally realize that you're being thrown into a shark pool and you need to ask the sharks for favors before you've tested the waters, but..." 19:45:42 But start talking with profs, etc... happy to help with those conversations as I can. 19:45:58 mchua: i'll shoot for a 2011-06 date but it'll likely be 2012 ;) 19:46:15 ianweller: no, see, it's "jump into shark pool bearing tasty meat as peace and friendship offering" 19:46:23 ianweller: Noted. 19:46:26 That's ok too! 19:48:46 #info Point person - Jeff Osier-Mixon 19:48:46 #info Date - Not yet set 19:48:47 #info Location - Not yet set (probably "somewhere in California") 19:48:47 #info Focus - Embedded development 19:48:47 #info Project - Beagleboard 19:48:49 #info Instructors - Jeff Osier-Mixon, need tech guru and instructor OR 2 instructors if Jeff decides to serve as tech guru 19:48:52 #info Sponsorship - Not set 19:48:55 #info Attendees - None yet 19:48:57 #action Jefro figure out a target date and instructors as the first thing to focus on - I'd suggest either winter break or summer 2011 as good targets. 19:49:01 #topic Overall POSSE status 19:49:19 #info It looks like South Africa is in good shape to happen in October. 19:49:20 mchua: tasty meat just puts them in a frenzy ;) 19:49:24 #info I'm also optimistic about Malaysia. 19:49:32 rrix: Yeah, but we can direct that frenzy into FOSS CONTRIBUTIONS!!!! 19:49:36 <--- idealist 19:49:49 hehehe :) 19:49:50 #info I have high hopes for Kansas (eventually), Arizona, Design, and California. 19:50:03 #info However, they (and other POSSEs) have a lot of planning to do. ;) 19:50:14 #info Prospect of targeting a LATAM POSSE at some point? 19:50:23 (...we can look into that later.) 19:50:43 #info There was interest from FUDCon Chile in having a POSSE at the host location there, will investigate. 19:51:03 I believe that's our status update. I'll send that to the point people for the original POSSE and then we'll proceed with the curriculum revision. 19:51:07 Whoops, #note 19:51:09 #note I believe that's our status update. I'll send that to the point people for the original POSSE and then we'll proceed with the curriculum revision. 19:51:22 lol 19:51:46 #note POSSE South Africa looks like it will be the first POSSE to try the new registration system (thanks ianweller!) and curriculum, plus the TOS textbook refresh as a resource (quaid is working on that). 19:51:51 That's it. 19:51:53 #topic open floor 19:52:03 I'll leave this running for a bit in case anyone wants to chime in with questions and whatnot. 19:52:19 #note POSSE registration system should (should) be done by end of this week 19:52:35 i'll see what i can get done tonight, but i'm spending all day wed/thu on fedora brand 19:53:05 ianweller: Yeah, we can do handoff on Thursday night if nothing else. 19:54:54 nod. 19:56:17 ...okay, I think that's it. 19:56:36 I have updates to push to the list, an opensource.com/education article to finish up on this summer's POSSEs (which should wrap us up for notes in the summer) 19:56:55 and then my focus will be on followup with Worcester/RIT alumni in parallel with curriculum revision for October + South Africa. 19:57:07 Thanks for listening to me ramble, folks. 19:57:14 And ianweller, I'll see you and posseapp on Thursday. 19:57:18 #endmeeting