#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:01:52

!startmeeting Quality

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:01:52

Meeting started at 2024-01-22 16:01:52 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:01:52

The Meeting name is 'Quality'

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:02:00

!topic Roll Call

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:02:02

.hello bittin

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:02:05

ahoyhoy folks, who's around?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:02:11

Luna Jernberg: it's ! here, not .

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:02:22

!here

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:02:26

!here bittin

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:02:31

!hello bittin

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:02:32

!here

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:02:32

Sorry, could not get info from FASJSON (code 500)

<@kparal:matrix.org>

16:02:48

hello

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:02:58

ah not really joined via the Matrix is used to old IRC commands :p

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:03:26

oh dear, zodbot is poorly

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:03:31

nirik: any idea?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:04:16

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:04:18

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:04:25

looks like he's recovered

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:04:28

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:04:29

Luna Jernberg (bittin) - they / them / theirs

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:04:31

someone gave 'em coffee

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:05:00

oh, FAS is down?

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:05:07

!hi

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:05:08

is it "hi" or "here"?

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:05:10

Geraldo S. Simião Kutz (geraldosimiao) - he / him / his

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:05:21

morning

<@kparal:matrix.org>

16:05:24

it seems to be working fine

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:07:14

https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:07:18

seems !hi worked for me

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:07:24

looks like nirik acknowledged the outage in NOC so he's working on it

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:07:32

!hello adamwill

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:07:33

Sorry, could not get info from FASJSON (code 500)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:07:43

hi is working, hello is broken. not sure what the difference is.

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:07:49

alright

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:07:50

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:07:51

Geoffrey Marr (coremodule)

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:07:59

ah, cool. thanks.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:08:13

aaaanyhoo, here we all are :)

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:08:54

great

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:09:16

let's get going

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:09:27

!topic Previous meeting follow-up

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:10:25

!info "adamw to contact bootloader folks about plans for shim in F40" - oops, I didn't get to this yet. I'll do it today

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:10:31

!action adamw to contact bootloader folks about plans for shim in F40

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:10:58

!info "adamw and kparal to come up with a plan to start directing 'official' messages to discourse as well as mailing lists (and possibly having the mailing list versions encourage use of discourse?)" - yeah, uh, we didn't do that yet either, did we? at least I can share the blame for that!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:11:14

!action adamw and kparal to come up with a plan to start directing 'official' messages to discourse as well as mailing lists (and possibly having the mailing list versions encourage use of discourse?)

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:11:37

and is Sumantro here today ;)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:12:06

"adamw to make sure sumantro is around next time" ... *drumroll* sumantro?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:12:32

he said he was going to be!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:13:26

oh, well, 0/3, monday is going great

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:13:32

heh

<@kparal:matrix.org>

16:13:44

adamw: he messaged you on telegram

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:15:24

sigh, telegram

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:15:28

too many messaging things

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:15:54

!info "adamw to make sure sumantro is around next time" - he was intending to, but had an emergency and couldn't make it, I have an update from him for later

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:15:58

aalllrighty

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:16:10

!topic Fedora 40 Change review and check-in

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:16:21

oh, I put the word Change in the wrong place there. well, never mind

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:16:32

so, the F40 Change deadlines are past now, which means we should mostly have all Changes in

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:16:37

so I figured we could take a look at the list again

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:16:42

and Mass Rebuilds is going on

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:16:51

yup, lots of news

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:16:58

!info F40 mass rebuild is in progress right now

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:17:20

!info there is a major bug affecting XFS installs to BIOS (including default Server installs) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2259266

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:18:11

!info all updates are currently failing openQA tests apparently due to accounts.fp.o being down (the web browser test uses it), I will rerun tests once it's back up, if it stays down for a long time I'll figure out a workaround

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:18:50

!info boost soname bump landed right before the mass rebuild, keep an eye out for any changes from that

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:18:53

any other f40 news?

<@kparal:matrix.org>

16:20:18

nothing from me

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:21:17

the test-week? or leave it to the end ?

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:21:29

thats topic 3

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:21:34

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:21:41

fair :)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:22:40

yup

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:22:56

!info accepted Changes are at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/40/ChangeSet

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:23:22

and there are three pending for FESCo at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:ChangeReadyForFesco

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:23:30

which look kinda significant

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:25:04

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Enable_IPv4_Address_Conflict_Detection is worth noting along with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StableSSIDMACAddress - kinda significant network changes

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:25:16

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RenameFirefoxDesktopFile has caused a few issues already, though hopefully they're sorted out now

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:26:22

and we have some major changes to image building with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraWorkstationImageBuilder , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:26:48

anyone see anything else worth flagging up?

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:28:17

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IoTSimplifiedInstaller

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:28:23

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_IoT_Unified_Core

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:28:29

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_IoT_Bootable_Container

<@kparal:matrix.org>

16:30:54

so much fun ahead of us 🙂

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:31:07

oh, yeah, i didn't look in ChangeAnnounced

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:31:20

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IoTSimplifiedInstaller seems to be in ChangeAcceptedF38. that's not right

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:31:25

(if it's a current Change)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:32:29

how does the bootable container change interact with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable ?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:32:37

that one already says "Rework Fedora editions and spins (CoreOS, IoT, Silverblue, Kinoite, etc) that use ostree to instead deliver via Docker/OCI container images"

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:33:22

the live media change...

<@amoloney:fedora.im>

16:33:51

That's for F40....let me follow up with the proposal owner just to be sure to be sure

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:33:54

I think we don't have a criteria for that? or...

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:33:55

adamw: I'm not sure, I hadn't seen the ostree native container change

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:34:29

geraldosimiao: well, the release criteria are functional, they don't depend on the implementation details

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:34:43

ok, fine.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:34:53

but yes, it involves functions we don't consider release critical so won't necessarily test in release validation

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:34:56

like the persistent overlay stuff

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:35:04

so we may want to look at doing a test day or something for that

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:35:29

!action adamw to file a ticket suggesting a Test Day for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:35:32

thanks for tlagging it up

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:36:09

my pleasure

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:37:10

also flagging!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:39:31

anything else on f40?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:42:27

!topic Test Day / community event status

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:42:35

okay, so as I said sumantro couldn't make it, but he did send me an update

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:42:56

have been helping out with the 6.7 test week, and still will help out until this week ends

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:43:13

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-01-21_Kernel_6.7_Test_Week

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:43:19

!info kernel test week is running 2021-01-21 to 2024-01-28 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-01-21_Kernel_6.7_Test_Week and https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/173

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:43:22

thanks a lot luna!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:43:57

!info KDE/Plasma 6.0 test week will be 2024-01-29 through 2024-02-05 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-01-29_KDE_Plasma_6_Test_Week

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:44:31

and did hear earlier today in another meeting the i18n/l10n 40 test week will be sometime in March (not decided 100% yet when in March)

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:45:54

alot of people helping

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:45:57

https://apps.fedoraproject.org/kerneltest/kernel/6.7.1-200.fc39.x86_64

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:46:02

thanks a lot again luna

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:46:08

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:46:25

yeah will run my second test for today in 15 min

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:48:35

but maybe can't submit the test as FAS is down atm?

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:48:38

now when i think :p

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:49:25

heh, maybe

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:49:30

unless you're already logged in

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:49:33

!topic Open floor

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:49:36

any other business, folks?

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:50:05

guess i can try and we will see then i tried atleast ;) :D

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:51:04

nothing from me

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:51:47

nothing

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:52:02

alrighty then, thanks for coming, folks

<@coremodule:fedora.im>

16:52:08

thanks for hosting adamw

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:52:43

thanks for the meeting cya in February

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:53:02

yup yup

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:53:05

!endmeeting

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:53:10

👍️😁

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:53:52

oh, i think it doesn't acknowledge endmeeting

<@tflink:fedora.im>

16:54:06

thanks for running the meeting, adamw

<@geraldosimiao:matrix.org>

16:55:16

it must work...

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:55:45

It should acknowledge it with the links to the minutes

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:55:50

!endmeeting

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:56:15

maybe it got restarted mid-meeting and lost its state?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:57:46

it acknowledged open floor at :49

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:57:53

then not endmeeting at :53

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:57:54

oh, well

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:58:06

alas. the eternal meeting.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:58:24

because we're never done improving quality! :D

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:58:59

!endmeeting

<@bittin:fedora.im>

16:59:04

lol

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:59:06

hmm

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

16:59:24

i don't see a 'finished' meeting log on meetbot-raw either in https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-01-22/

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:59:42

!endmeeting Quality

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:59:43

**Usage:** !endmeeting

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:59:49

it was a thought

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:01:25

!note test note

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:01:32

oh wait

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:01:34

!info test info

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:01:40

bad meetbot!

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

17:02:03

we'll be done when Meetbot says we're done, apparently

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:02:35

the meeting will continue until morale improves

<@kparal:matrix.org>

17:02:44

!endmeeting

<@bittin:fedora.im>

17:02:54

!endmeeting

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

17:02:58

could be related to the FAS issues; it looks like the endmeeting command runs some lookups

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:03:11

aha

<@bittin:fedora.im>

17:03:12

heh could also not test the kernel due to FAS problems

<@bittin:fedora.im>

17:03:18

will try tommorow at 7pm instead

<@bittin:fedora.im>

17:03:19

oh well

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:03:32

sorry luna!

<@bittin:fedora.im>

17:03:41

and hope the infra people have got it sorted it out til then

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:03:45

i'll look at the meetbot code, i feel like it shouldn't depend on fas to end a meeting...

<@bittin:fedora.im>

17:03:46

eh shit happends :D

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

17:04:42

my cursory glance is that because adamw started the meeting, it's trying to send the fasname associated with that to the meetbot server to log the meeting.. but I suspect in this case it can't find adamw -> adamwill

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

17:04:58

adamw https://github.com/fedora-infra/maubot-meetings/blob/main/meetings/backends/fedora/__init__.py#L114 to save a google :)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

17:05:08

thanks

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

19:17:51

Did the endmetting command fail?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:18:06

seemingly, yes

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

19:18:44

Who started it?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:19:03

adamw

<@tflink:fedora.im>

19:19:42

the theory was that the current FAS outage is keeping the endmeeting command from working

<@tflink:fedora.im>

19:20:24

nvm, y'all already knew that. sorry

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

19:23:21

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:23:23

Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

19:23:37

! endmetting

<@farribeiro:matrix.org>

19:23:59

!endmetting

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:26:56

!endmeeting