2024-01-22 16:01:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2024-01-22 16:01:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-01-22 16:01:52 UTC
2024-01-22 16:01:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2024-01-22 16:02:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-01-22 16:02:02 <@bittin:fedora.im> .hello bittin
2024-01-22 16:02:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ahoyhoy folks, who's around?
2024-01-22 16:02:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Luna Jernberg: it's ! here, not .
2024-01-22 16:02:22 <@bittin:fedora.im> !here
2024-01-22 16:02:26 <@bittin:fedora.im> !here bittin
2024-01-22 16:02:31 <@bittin:fedora.im> !hello bittin
2024-01-22 16:02:32 <@coremodule:fedora.im> !here
2024-01-22 16:02:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sorry, could not get info from FASJSON (code 500)
2024-01-22 16:02:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> hello
2024-01-22 16:02:58 <@bittin:fedora.im> ah not really joined via the Matrix is used to old IRC commands :p
2024-01-22 16:03:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh dear, zodbot is poorly
2024-01-22 16:03:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nirik: any idea?
2024-01-22 16:04:16 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-01-22 16:04:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-01-22 16:04:25 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> looks like he's recovered
2024-01-22 16:04:28 <@bittin:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-22 16:04:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Luna Jernberg (bittin) - they / them / theirs
2024-01-22 16:04:31 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> someone gave 'em coffee
2024-01-22 16:05:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, FAS is down?
2024-01-22 16:05:07 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-22 16:05:08 <@coremodule:fedora.im> is it "hi" or "here"?
2024-01-22 16:05:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geraldo S. Simião Kutz (geraldosimiao) - he / him / his
2024-01-22 16:05:21 <@tflink:fedora.im> morning
2024-01-22 16:05:24 <@kparal:matrix.org> it seems to be working fine
2024-01-22 16:07:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/
2024-01-22 16:07:18 <@bittin:fedora.im> seems !hi worked for me
2024-01-22 16:07:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> looks like nirik acknowledged the outage in NOC so he's working on it
2024-01-22 16:07:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hello adamwill
2024-01-22 16:07:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sorry, could not get info from FASJSON (code 500)
2024-01-22 16:07:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi is working, hello is broken. not sure what the difference is.
2024-01-22 16:07:49 <@bittin:fedora.im> alright
2024-01-22 16:07:50 <@coremodule:fedora.im> !hi
2024-01-22 16:07:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geoffrey Marr (coremodule)
2024-01-22 16:07:59 <@coremodule:fedora.im> ah, cool. thanks.
2024-01-22 16:08:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> aaaanyhoo, here we all are :)
2024-01-22 16:08:54 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> great
2024-01-22 16:09:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's get going
2024-01-22 16:09:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2024-01-22 16:10:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to contact bootloader folks about plans for shim in F40" - oops, I didn't get to this yet. I'll do it today
2024-01-22 16:10:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action adamw to contact bootloader folks about plans for shim in F40
2024-01-22 16:10:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw and kparal to come up with a plan to start directing 'official' messages to discourse as well as mailing lists (and possibly having the mailing list versions encourage use of discourse?)" - yeah, uh, we didn't do that yet either, did we? at least I can share the blame for that!
2024-01-22 16:11:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action adamw and kparal to come up with a plan to start directing 'official' messages to discourse as well as mailing lists (and possibly having the mailing list versions encourage use of discourse?)
2024-01-22 16:11:37 <@bittin:fedora.im> and is Sumantro here today ;)
2024-01-22 16:12:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> "adamw to make sure sumantro is around next time" ... *drumroll* sumantro?
2024-01-22 16:12:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> he said he was going to be!
2024-01-22 16:13:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, well, 0/3, monday is going great
2024-01-22 16:13:32 <@bittin:fedora.im> heh
2024-01-22 16:13:44 <@kparal:matrix.org> adamw: he messaged you on telegram
2024-01-22 16:15:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sigh, telegram
2024-01-22 16:15:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> too many messaging things
2024-01-22 16:15:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to make sure sumantro is around next time" - he was intending to, but had an emergency and couldn't make it, I have an update from him for later
2024-01-22 16:15:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> aalllrighty
2024-01-22 16:16:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 40 Change review and check-in
2024-01-22 16:16:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, I put the word Change in the wrong place there. well, never mind
2024-01-22 16:16:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, the F40 Change deadlines are past now, which means we should mostly have all Changes in
2024-01-22 16:16:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so I figured we could take a look at the list again
2024-01-22 16:16:42 <@bittin:fedora.im> and Mass Rebuilds is going on
2024-01-22 16:16:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yup, lots of news
2024-01-22 16:16:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info F40 mass rebuild is in progress right now
2024-01-22 16:17:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info there is a major bug affecting XFS installs to BIOS (including default Server installs) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2259266
2024-01-22 16:18:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info all updates are currently failing openQA tests apparently due to accounts.fp.o being down (the web browser test uses it), I will rerun tests once it's back up, if it stays down for a long time I'll figure out a workaround
2024-01-22 16:18:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info boost soname bump landed right before the mass rebuild, keep an eye out for any changes from that
2024-01-22 16:18:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other f40 news?
2024-01-22 16:20:18 <@kparal:matrix.org> nothing from me
2024-01-22 16:21:17 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> the test-week? or leave it to the end ?
2024-01-22 16:21:29 <@bittin:fedora.im> thats topic 3
2024-01-22 16:21:34 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ok
2024-01-22 16:21:41 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> fair :)
2024-01-22 16:22:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yup
2024-01-22 16:22:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info accepted Changes are at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/40/ChangeSet
2024-01-22 16:23:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and there are three pending for FESCo at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:ChangeReadyForFesco
2024-01-22 16:23:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> which look kinda significant
2024-01-22 16:25:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Enable_IPv4_Address_Conflict_Detection is worth noting along with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StableSSIDMACAddress - kinda significant network changes
2024-01-22 16:25:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RenameFirefoxDesktopFile has caused a few issues already, though hopefully they're sorted out now
2024-01-22 16:26:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and we have some major changes to image building with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraWorkstationImageBuilder , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages
2024-01-22 16:26:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone see anything else worth flagging up?
2024-01-22 16:28:17 <@coremodule:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IoTSimplifiedInstaller
2024-01-22 16:28:23 <@coremodule:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_IoT_Unified_Core
2024-01-22 16:28:29 <@coremodule:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_IoT_Bootable_Container
2024-01-22 16:30:54 <@kparal:matrix.org> so much fun ahead of us 🙂
2024-01-22 16:31:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, yeah, i didn't look in ChangeAnnounced
2024-01-22 16:31:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IoTSimplifiedInstaller seems to be in ChangeAcceptedF38. that's not right
2024-01-22 16:31:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> (if it's a current Change)
2024-01-22 16:32:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how does the bootable container change interact with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable ?
2024-01-22 16:32:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that one already says "Rework Fedora editions and spins (CoreOS, IoT, Silverblue, Kinoite, etc) that use ostree to instead deliver via Docker/OCI container images"
2024-01-22 16:33:22 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> the live media change...
2024-01-22 16:33:51 <@amoloney:fedora.im> That's for F40....let me follow up with the proposal owner just to be sure to be sure
2024-01-22 16:33:54 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> I think we don't have a criteria for that? or...
2024-01-22 16:33:55 <@coremodule:fedora.im> adamw: I'm not sure, I hadn't seen the ostree native container change
2024-01-22 16:34:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> geraldosimiao: well, the release criteria are functional, they don't depend on the implementation details
2024-01-22 16:34:43 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> ok, fine.
2024-01-22 16:34:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but yes, it involves functions we don't consider release critical so won't necessarily test in release validation
2024-01-22 16:34:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> like the persistent overlay stuff
2024-01-22 16:35:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so we may want to look at doing a test day or something for that
2024-01-22 16:35:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action adamw to file a ticket suggesting a Test Day for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia
2024-01-22 16:35:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for tlagging it up
2024-01-22 16:36:09 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> my pleasure
2024-01-22 16:37:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> also flagging!
2024-01-22 16:39:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else on f40?
2024-01-22 16:42:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2024-01-22 16:42:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, so as I said sumantro couldn't make it, but he did send me an update
2024-01-22 16:42:56 <@bittin:fedora.im> have been helping out with the 6.7 test week, and still will help out until this week ends
2024-01-22 16:43:13 <@bittin:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-01-21_Kernel_6.7_Test_Week
2024-01-22 16:43:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info kernel test week is running 2021-01-21 to 2024-01-28 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-01-21_Kernel_6.7_Test_Week and https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/173
2024-01-22 16:43:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks a lot luna!
2024-01-22 16:43:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info KDE/Plasma 6.0 test week will be 2024-01-29 through 2024-02-05 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-01-29_KDE_Plasma_6_Test_Week
2024-01-22 16:44:31 <@bittin:fedora.im> and did hear earlier today in another meeting the i18n/l10n 40 test week will be sometime in March (not decided 100% yet when in March)
2024-01-22 16:45:54 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> alot of people helping
2024-01-22 16:45:57 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/kerneltest/kernel/6.7.1-200.fc39.x86_64
2024-01-22 16:46:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks a lot again luna
2024-01-22 16:46:08 <@bittin:fedora.im> np
2024-01-22 16:46:25 <@bittin:fedora.im> yeah will run my second test for today in 15 min
2024-01-22 16:48:35 <@bittin:fedora.im> but maybe can't submit the test as FAS is down atm?
2024-01-22 16:48:38 <@bittin:fedora.im> now when i think :p 
2024-01-22 16:49:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> heh, maybe
2024-01-22 16:49:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> unless you're already logged in
2024-01-22 16:49:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-01-22 16:49:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business, folks?
2024-01-22 16:50:05 <@bittin:fedora.im> guess i can try and we will see then i tried atleast ;) :D
2024-01-22 16:51:04 <@tflink:fedora.im> nothing from me
2024-01-22 16:51:47 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> nothing
2024-01-22 16:52:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty then, thanks for coming, folks
2024-01-22 16:52:08 <@coremodule:fedora.im> thanks for hosting adamw
2024-01-22 16:52:43 <@bittin:fedora.im> thanks for the meeting cya in February
2024-01-22 16:53:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yup yup
2024-01-22 16:53:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting
2024-01-22 16:53:10 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> 👍️😁
2024-01-22 16:53:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, i think it doesn't acknowledge endmeeting
2024-01-22 16:54:06 <@tflink:fedora.im> thanks for running the meeting, adamw
2024-01-22 16:55:16 <@geraldosimiao:matrix.org> it must work...
2024-01-22 16:55:45 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> It should acknowledge it with the links to the minutes
2024-01-22 16:55:50 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !endmeeting
2024-01-22 16:56:15 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> maybe it got restarted mid-meeting and lost its state?
2024-01-22 16:57:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it acknowledged open floor at :49
2024-01-22 16:57:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> then not endmeeting at :53
2024-01-22 16:57:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, well
2024-01-22 16:58:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> alas. the eternal meeting.
2024-01-22 16:58:24 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> because we're never done improving quality! :D
2024-01-22 16:58:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting
2024-01-22 16:59:04 <@bittin:fedora.im> lol
2024-01-22 16:59:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hmm
2024-01-22 16:59:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't see a 'finished' meeting log on meetbot-raw either in https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-01-22/
2024-01-22 16:59:42 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !endmeeting Quality
2024-01-22 16:59:43 <@meetbot:fedora.im> **Usage:** !endmeeting
2024-01-22 16:59:49 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> it was a thought
2024-01-22 17:01:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !note test note
2024-01-22 17:01:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh wait
2024-01-22 17:01:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info test info
2024-01-22 17:01:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> bad meetbot!
2024-01-22 17:02:03 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> we'll be done when Meetbot says we're done, apparently
2024-01-22 17:02:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the meeting will continue until morale improves
2024-01-22 17:02:44 <@kparal:matrix.org> !endmeeting
2024-01-22 17:02:54 <@bittin:fedora.im> !endmeeting
2024-01-22 17:02:58 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> could be related to the FAS issues; it looks like the endmeeting command runs some lookups
2024-01-22 17:03:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> aha
2024-01-22 17:03:12 <@bittin:fedora.im> heh could also not test the kernel due to FAS problems
2024-01-22 17:03:18 <@bittin:fedora.im> will try tommorow at 7pm instead 
2024-01-22 17:03:19 <@bittin:fedora.im> oh well
2024-01-22 17:03:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sorry luna!
2024-01-22 17:03:41 <@bittin:fedora.im> and hope the infra people have got it sorted it out til then
2024-01-22 17:03:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'll look at the meetbot code, i feel like it shouldn't depend on fas to end a meeting...
2024-01-22 17:03:46 <@bittin:fedora.im> eh shit happends :D
2024-01-22 17:04:42 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> my cursory glance is that because adamw started the meeting, it's trying to send the fasname associated with that to the meetbot server to log the meeting.. but I suspect in this case it can't find adamw -> adamwill 
2024-01-22 17:04:58 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> adamw https://github.com/fedora-infra/maubot-meetings/blob/main/meetings/backends/fedora/__init__.py#L114 to save a google :)
2024-01-22 17:05:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks
2024-01-22 19:17:51 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> Did the endmetting command fail?
2024-01-22 19:18:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> seemingly, yes
2024-01-22 19:18:44 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> Who started it?
2024-01-22 19:19:03 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> adamw 
2024-01-22 19:19:42 <@tflink:fedora.im> the theory was that the current FAS outage is keeping the endmeeting command from working
2024-01-22 19:20:24 <@tflink:fedora.im> nvm, y'all already knew that. sorry
2024-01-22 19:23:21 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> !hi
2024-01-22 19:23:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fábio Ribeiro (farribeiro) - he / him / his
2024-01-22 19:23:37 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> ! endmetting 
2024-01-22 19:23:59 <@farribeiro:matrix.org> !endmetting
2024-01-22 19:26:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !endmeeting