<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:01:02
!startmeeting Quality
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:01:03
Meeting started at 2024-02-05 16:01:02 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:01:03
The Meeting name is 'Quality'
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:01:05
!topic Roll Call
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:01:14
who's around for quality fun times?
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:01:15
hello
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:01:21
!hello
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:01:22
Luna Jernberg (bittin) - they / them / theirs
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:02:40
!hello
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:02:41
Peter Boy (pboy)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:03:50
hi hi
<@coremodule:fedora.im>
16:04:24
!hello
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:04:25
Geoffrey Marr (coremodule)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:04:43
how's everyone doing
<@tflink:fedora.im>
16:05:40
!hello
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:05:42
Tim Flink (tflink)
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:06:08
a bit tired, from Fosdem
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:06:20
pretty tired and sick myself, so not in the best shape
<@frantisekz:fedora.im>
16:06:35
(kail could have gone without the kids and wife... what could've gone wrong 😁)
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:06:43
only watched the stream this year, could not go in person its almost over for this year however
<@frantisekz:fedora.im>
16:06:47
(kamil could have gone without the kids and wife... what could've gone wrong 😁)
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:06:52
my family life
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:07:14
how was fosdem, peter?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:07:29
Was great!
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:07:46
contentwise, and to see again all the Fedorians
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:09:14
nice
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:11:13
!topic Previous meeting follow-up
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:11:59
!info "adamw to contact bootloader folks about plans for shim in F40" - I did that. haven't heard anything definitive back yet, but I tried. Gerd Hoffman wrote back that the upstream shim repo got a bunch of updates which to him suggests there'll be a new release soon, but that's it
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:12:24
!info "adamw and kparal to come up with a plan to start directing 'official' messages to discourse as well as mailing lists (and possibly having the mailing list versions encourage use of discourse?)" - we haven't entirely got around to this yet, sorry. we'll keep trying to get to it
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:12:47
!info "adamw to file a ticket suggesting a Test Day for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia" - done (and I *definitely* did it soon after the last meeting and not five minutes ago when I read the minutes) - https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/762
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:13:03
any other followup from last time?
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:14:12
nothing from me
<@frantisekz:fedora.im>
16:16:06
the new release already happened
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:02
roger
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:21
#topic Fedora 40 check-in
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:18:04
i installed this afternoons workstation compose in gnome-boxes and it worked for the first in a while, had problems typing text into g-i-s for a while before today
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:18:42
I think we need !topic not #topic ??
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:18:56
oh sorry, well spotted
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:18:59
!topic Fedora 40 check-in
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:18:59
!topic Fedora 40 check-in
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:19:11
i installed this afternoons workstation compose in gnome-boxes and it worked for the first in a while, had problems typing text into g-i-s for a while before today
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:19:19
Luna Jernberg: that's good news, i'm not sure what that problem might have been, though
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:19:24
it's been working okay in openqa
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:19:54
on the whole 40 seems fine right now, just a few known issues. nirik did find that a kernel built with LTO blew up his graphics (IIRC), and we had some fun compose failures...
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:20:09
i got fesco to approve the image size changes, so most of the images are officially under size again
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:20:44
yeah did hear in Linux Experiment Nicks weekly news that its now going to be DVD instead of CD size :p
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:20:59
well, we set the new limit at 1 GB
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:21:01
but seeing its now 2024 i doubt thats much of a problem
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:21:02
for netinst images
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:21:06
ah alright
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:21:17
i wish we could still keep it small but linux-firmware makes it hard :(
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:25:53
any other notes on current f40?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:26:10
branching is next Tuesday
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:26:23
#info Fedora 40 will branch next Tuesday, hold on to your hats
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:26:28
6th or the 13th?
<@frantisekz:fedora.im>
16:26:49
13th
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:26:55
that's right
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:26:57
grr
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:27:03
ah alright thanks, and think changes testable deadline is tommorow if its not changed?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:27:04
!info Fedora 40 will branch on Tuesday 13th, hold on to your hats
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:27:16
no, same date
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:27:27
oh ok
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:27:47
!info the deadline for changes to be 'testable' is the same date (Tuesday 13th)
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:27:57
"please be aware that your change must be in a ‘Testable‘ state by 6th Feb 2024. " https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ops-architect-weekly-3/
<@frantisekz:fedora.im>
16:28:00
as it's also el10 branch date this time, hold your hats really hard 😁
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:28:01
but maybe changed since that blog post
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:28:55
then i know thanks
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:29:32
yeah, either someone got the date wrong or we bumped the schedule after that mail, i guess
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:30:52
ah
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:30:53
https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule/c/43c095d6db820845ffa4c6889f692196174dc32d?branch=main
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:02
d'oh, wrong one
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:02
https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule/c/5730a1d249ee46d8d98cb86a6bf5399e82d8fa74?branch=main
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:16
"Updating schedule to correct branch date". that changed a lot of dates. man i hate this calendar system
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:23
schedule system. whatevs
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:31:35
yeah think things changed after the FAS carfuffle
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:47
oh, yeah, that put a dent in stuff
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:31:59
anyways, those are the dates now! those have always been the dates, in fact, and we have always been at war with eurasia
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:32:39
heh
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:33:24
i'll probably start scheduling blocker review next week, if that sounds good to everyone
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:33:28
as the blockers are starting to pile up a bit
<@coremodule:fedora.im>
16:33:50
oooh
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:34:05
works for me if its after 5pm Swedish time
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
16:34:12
wrt shim, a New shim is almost certainly required, but.. it's all a mess.
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
16:34:22
(what else is new)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:36:35
oh, we know it's a mess.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:37:29
!topic Test Day / community event status
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:38:04
There was the KDE Plasma 6 RC 1 and 2 test week that just ended (did not help myself not much of a KDE person and been to busy with other stuff)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:38:22
!info we had kernel 6.7 test week recently, and Plasma 6 test week is winding up today - last chance to get your tests in at https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/174 )
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:38:23
and the Fedora i18n/l10n test week has a suggested week of the first week in March 2024
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:38:35
!info Fedora i18n/l10n test week has a suggested week of the first week in March 2024
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:38:39
thanks luna
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:38:46
!info https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/184#comment-894361
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:38:47
np
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:40:08
anything else on this from anyone?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:40:42
alrighty
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:40:45
!topic Open floor
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:40:49
anything else on anything? :D
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:41:26
think Peter Boy had something he emailed to the mailinglist earlier today
also someone just emailed #devel:fedoraproject.org mailinglist with some btrfs problems with the new Anaconda during migrations i think have not had time to read it fully yet
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:42:07
Yes, I've an issue with LVM, See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247872
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:42:18
oh, yeah, you've been poking at that for a while, right?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:42:26
Yes :-)
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:42:35
and the other email i just saw: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ACCAR5ZR4YFB6VDFKGZMHYPK46CTRL54/
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:42:56
when you say "The LVM Group does not appear to be keen to do this, and has not yet specified any reason why this change has been made", where has that discussion been happening?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:43:27
oh boy, a leslie special
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:43:40
Kamil Páral: haven't you looked at how the 'reformat' stuff works with btrfs a bit?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:43:43
i seem to remember a bug report
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:44:09
I made a bug report, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2258764, they just closed the bug, but didn't provided or discussed a solution. And another member of iour WG wrote an email without an answer until now
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:44:11
I did, some long time ago...
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:44:25
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:44:26
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:44:32
I'll try to find the bug reports
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:45:04
oh look, I even made a documentation for it: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/its-difficult-to-reformat-a-btrfs-partition-subvolume-in-the-installer/89052
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:45:10
looked like something for here :p
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:45:48
maybe sending over to the #anaconda:fedoraproject.org people if not
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:46:10
I'm not sure whether it exactly matches what Leslie describes, but it could
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:47:44
Hm, what are we discussing at the moment? LVM or BTRFS?
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:47:48
I'll send him a reply
<@kparal:matrix.org>
16:48:14
ugh, sorry, I got sidetracked by Leslie's btrfs bug
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:48:33
sorry for the sidetracking will let Peter Boy continue
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:48:34
No, I think we have to deal with both
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:48:48
thanks kamil
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:48:59
but not at the same time :-)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:49:33
Peter Boy: so are you saying you got a reply from marian but it didn't really explain the change? or something else?
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:50:11
No, I got just a bug close and the message, it is a new feature. Nothing else until now.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:50:37
okay, i'll try mailing marian
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:51:04
!action adamw to email marian about LVM bugs
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:51:08
!action adamw to try and talk to mcsontos about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2258764
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:51:15
sigh, one at a time...
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:51:32
i don't know if it really accepts your messages since you're not a chair, luna, though i guess it is responding to them
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:51:47
guess we will find out in the logs afterwards
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:52:40
I suppose, we need 1. clear the subdir as the current proposal is, 2. with first boot dcfreate a correct one, and 3. revert the conf parameter.
<@pboy:fedora.im>
16:53:16
But I'm technically not that familiar with the issue
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:54:19
alrighty, so anything else?
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:54:58
that was all from me atleast, same thing in two weeks again?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:55:08
yup yup
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:55:10
and blocker review next week
<@bittin:fedora.im>
16:55:17
alrighty
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:57:21
thanks folks!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:57:26
!endmeeting