2024-02-05 16:01:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2024-02-05 16:01:03 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-02-05 16:01:02 UTC
2024-02-05 16:01:03 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2024-02-05 16:01:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-02-05 16:01:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who's around for quality fun times?
2024-02-05 16:01:15 <@kparal:matrix.org> hello
2024-02-05 16:01:21 <@bittin:fedora.im> !hello
2024-02-05 16:01:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Luna Jernberg (bittin) - they / them / theirs
2024-02-05 16:02:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> !hello
2024-02-05 16:02:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Peter Boy (pboy)
2024-02-05 16:03:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi
2024-02-05 16:04:24 <@coremodule:fedora.im> !hello
2024-02-05 16:04:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geoffrey Marr (coremodule)
2024-02-05 16:04:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how's everyone doing
2024-02-05 16:05:40 <@tflink:fedora.im> !hello
2024-02-05 16:05:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tim Flink (tflink)
2024-02-05 16:06:08 <@pboy:fedora.im> a bit tired, from Fosdem
2024-02-05 16:06:20 <@bittin:fedora.im> pretty tired and sick myself, so not in the best shape
2024-02-05 16:06:35 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> (kail could have gone without the kids and wife... what could've gone wrong 😁)
2024-02-05 16:06:43 <@bittin:fedora.im> only watched the stream this year, could not go in person its almost over for this year however
2024-02-05 16:06:47 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> (kamil could have gone without the kids and wife... what could've gone wrong 😁)
2024-02-05 16:06:52 <@kparal:matrix.org> my family life
2024-02-05 16:07:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how was fosdem, peter?
2024-02-05 16:07:29 <@pboy:fedora.im> Was great!
2024-02-05 16:07:46 <@pboy:fedora.im> contentwise, and to see again all the Fedorians 
2024-02-05 16:09:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nice
2024-02-05 16:11:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2024-02-05 16:11:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to contact bootloader folks about plans for shim in F40" - I did that. haven't heard anything definitive back yet, but I tried. Gerd Hoffman wrote back that the upstream shim repo got a bunch of updates which to him suggests there'll be a new release soon, but that's it
2024-02-05 16:12:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw and kparal to come up with a plan to start directing 'official' messages to discourse as well as mailing lists (and possibly having the mailing list versions encourage use of discourse?)" - we haven't entirely got around to this yet, sorry. we'll keep trying to get to it
2024-02-05 16:12:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to file a ticket suggesting a Test Day for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia" - done (and I *definitely* did it soon after the last meeting and not five minutes ago when I read the minutes) - https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/762
2024-02-05 16:13:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other followup from last time?
2024-02-05 16:14:12 <@kparal:matrix.org> nothing from me
2024-02-05 16:16:06 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> the new release already happened 
2024-02-05 16:17:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> roger
2024-02-05 16:17:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> #topic Fedora 40 check-in
2024-02-05 16:18:04 <@bittin:fedora.im> i installed this afternoons workstation compose in gnome-boxes and it worked for the first in a while, had problems typing text into g-i-s for a while before today
2024-02-05 16:18:42 <@pboy:fedora.im> I think we need !topic not #topic ??
2024-02-05 16:18:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh sorry, well spotted
2024-02-05 16:18:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 40 check-in
2024-02-05 16:18:59 <@bittin:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 40 check-in
2024-02-05 16:19:11 <@bittin:fedora.im> i installed this afternoons workstation compose in gnome-boxes and it worked for the first in a while, had problems typing text into g-i-s for a while before today
2024-02-05 16:19:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Luna Jernberg: that's good news, i'm not sure what that problem might have been, though
2024-02-05 16:19:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's been working okay in openqa
2024-02-05 16:19:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> on the whole 40 seems fine right now, just a few known issues. nirik did find that a kernel built with LTO blew up his graphics (IIRC), and we had some fun compose failures...
2024-02-05 16:20:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i got fesco to approve the image size changes, so most of the images are officially under size again
2024-02-05 16:20:44 <@bittin:fedora.im> yeah did hear in Linux Experiment Nicks weekly news that its now going to be DVD instead of CD size :p
2024-02-05 16:20:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, we set the new limit at 1 GB
2024-02-05 16:21:01 <@bittin:fedora.im> but seeing its now 2024 i doubt thats much of a problem
2024-02-05 16:21:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> for netinst images
2024-02-05 16:21:06 <@bittin:fedora.im> ah alright
2024-02-05 16:21:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i wish we could still keep it small but linux-firmware makes it hard :(
2024-02-05 16:25:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other notes on current f40?
2024-02-05 16:26:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> branching is next Tuesday
2024-02-05 16:26:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> #info Fedora 40 will branch next Tuesday, hold on to your hats
2024-02-05 16:26:28 <@bittin:fedora.im> 6th or the 13th?
2024-02-05 16:26:49 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> 13th
2024-02-05 16:26:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's right
2024-02-05 16:26:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> grr
2024-02-05 16:27:03 <@bittin:fedora.im> ah alright thanks, and think changes testable deadline is tommorow if its not changed?
2024-02-05 16:27:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Fedora 40 will branch on Tuesday 13th, hold on to your hats
2024-02-05 16:27:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> no, same date
2024-02-05 16:27:27 <@bittin:fedora.im> oh ok
2024-02-05 16:27:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info the deadline for changes to be 'testable' is the same date (Tuesday 13th)
2024-02-05 16:27:57 <@bittin:fedora.im> "please be aware that your change must be in a ‘Testable‘ state by 6th Feb 2024. " https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ops-architect-weekly-3/
2024-02-05 16:28:00 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> as it's also el10 branch date this time, hold your hats really hard 😁
2024-02-05 16:28:01 <@bittin:fedora.im> but maybe changed since that blog post
2024-02-05 16:28:55 <@bittin:fedora.im> then i know thanks
2024-02-05 16:29:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, either someone got the date wrong or we bumped the schedule after that mail, i guess
2024-02-05 16:30:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ah
2024-02-05 16:30:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule/c/43c095d6db820845ffa4c6889f692196174dc32d?branch=main
2024-02-05 16:31:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> d'oh, wrong one
2024-02-05 16:31:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-pgm/schedule/c/5730a1d249ee46d8d98cb86a6bf5399e82d8fa74?branch=main
2024-02-05 16:31:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> "Updating schedule to correct branch date". that changed a lot of dates. man i hate this calendar system
2024-02-05 16:31:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> schedule system. whatevs
2024-02-05 16:31:35 <@bittin:fedora.im> yeah think things changed after the FAS carfuffle
2024-02-05 16:31:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, yeah, that put a dent in stuff
2024-02-05 16:31:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyways, those are the dates now! those have always been the dates, in fact, and we have always been at war with eurasia
2024-02-05 16:32:39 <@bittin:fedora.im> heh
2024-02-05 16:33:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'll probably start scheduling blocker review next week, if that sounds good to everyone
2024-02-05 16:33:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> as the blockers are starting to pile up a bit
2024-02-05 16:33:50 <@coremodule:fedora.im> oooh
2024-02-05 16:34:05 <@bittin:fedora.im> works for me if its after 5pm Swedish time
2024-02-05 16:34:12 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> wrt shim, a New shim is almost certainly required, but.. it's all a mess.
2024-02-05 16:34:22 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (what else is new)
2024-02-05 16:36:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, we know it's a mess.
2024-02-05 16:37:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2024-02-05 16:38:04 <@bittin:fedora.im> There was the KDE Plasma 6 RC 1 and 2 test week that just ended (did not help myself not much of  a KDE person and been to busy with other stuff) 
2024-02-05 16:38:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info we had kernel 6.7 test week recently, and Plasma 6 test week is winding up today - last chance to get your tests in at https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/174 )
2024-02-05 16:38:23 <@bittin:fedora.im> and the Fedora i18n/l10n test week has a suggested week of the first week in March 2024
2024-02-05 16:38:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Fedora i18n/l10n test week has a suggested week of the first week in March 2024
2024-02-05 16:38:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks luna
2024-02-05 16:38:46 <@bittin:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/i18n/issue/184#comment-894361
2024-02-05 16:38:47 <@bittin:fedora.im> np
2024-02-05 16:40:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else on this from anyone?
2024-02-05 16:40:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty
2024-02-05 16:40:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-02-05 16:40:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else on anything? :D
2024-02-05 16:41:26 <@bittin:fedora.im> think Peter Boy had something he emailed to the mailinglist earlier today
also someone just emailed #devel:fedoraproject.org mailinglist with some btrfs problems with the new Anaconda during migrations i think have not had time to read it fully yet
2024-02-05 16:42:07 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes, I've an issue with LVM, See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2247872
2024-02-05 16:42:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, yeah, you've been poking at that for a while, right?
2024-02-05 16:42:26 <@pboy:fedora.im> Yes  :-) 
2024-02-05 16:42:35 <@bittin:fedora.im> and the other email i just saw: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/ACCAR5ZR4YFB6VDFKGZMHYPK46CTRL54/
2024-02-05 16:42:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> when you say "The LVM Group does not appear to be keen to do this, and has not yet specified any reason why this change has been made", where has that discussion been happening?
2024-02-05 16:43:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh boy, a leslie special
2024-02-05 16:43:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Kamil Páral: haven't you looked at how the 'reformat' stuff works with btrfs a bit?
2024-02-05 16:43:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i seem to remember a bug report
2024-02-05 16:44:09 <@pboy:fedora.im> I made a bug report, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2258764, they just closed the bug, but didn't provided or discussed a solution. And another member of iour WG wrote an email without an answer until now 
2024-02-05 16:44:11 <@kparal:matrix.org> I did, some long time ago...
2024-02-05 16:44:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-05 16:44:26 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-02-05 16:44:32 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'll try to find the bug reports
2024-02-05 16:45:04 <@kparal:matrix.org> oh look, I even made a documentation for it: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/its-difficult-to-reformat-a-btrfs-partition-subvolume-in-the-installer/89052
2024-02-05 16:45:10 <@bittin:fedora.im> looked like something for here :p
2024-02-05 16:45:48 <@bittin:fedora.im> maybe sending over to the #anaconda:fedoraproject.org people if not
2024-02-05 16:46:10 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'm not sure whether it exactly matches what Leslie describes, but it could
2024-02-05 16:47:44 <@pboy:fedora.im> Hm, what are we discussing at the moment? LVM or BTRFS? 
2024-02-05 16:47:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> I'll send him a reply
2024-02-05 16:48:14 <@kparal:matrix.org> ugh, sorry, I got sidetracked by Leslie's btrfs bug
2024-02-05 16:48:33 <@bittin:fedora.im> sorry for the sidetracking will let Peter Boy continue
2024-02-05 16:48:34 <@pboy:fedora.im> No, I think we have to deal with both
2024-02-05 16:48:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks kamil
2024-02-05 16:48:59 <@pboy:fedora.im> but not at the same time  :-)
2024-02-05 16:49:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Peter Boy: so are you saying you got a reply from marian but it didn't really explain the change? or something else?
2024-02-05 16:50:11 <@pboy:fedora.im> No, I got just a bug close and the message, it is a new feature. Nothing else until now.
2024-02-05 16:50:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay, i'll try mailing marian
2024-02-05 16:51:04 <@bittin:fedora.im> !action adamw to email marian about LVM bugs
2024-02-05 16:51:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action adamw to try and talk to mcsontos about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2258764
2024-02-05 16:51:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sigh, one at a time...
2024-02-05 16:51:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't know if it really accepts your messages since you're not a chair, luna, though i guess it is responding to them
2024-02-05 16:51:47 <@bittin:fedora.im> guess we will find out in the logs afterwards
2024-02-05 16:52:40 <@pboy:fedora.im> I suppose, we need 1. clear the subdir as the current proposal is, 2. with first boot dcfreate a correct one, and 3.  revert the conf parameter.
2024-02-05 16:53:16 <@pboy:fedora.im> But I'm technically not that familiar with the issue
2024-02-05 16:54:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, so anything else?
2024-02-05 16:54:58 <@bittin:fedora.im> that was all from me atleast, same thing in two weeks again?
2024-02-05 16:55:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yup yup
2024-02-05 16:55:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and blocker review next week
2024-02-05 16:55:17 <@bittin:fedora.im> alrighty
2024-02-05 16:57:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks folks!
2024-02-05 16:57:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting