#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:01:06

!startmeeting Quality

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:01:08

Meeting started at 2024-07-08 15:01:06 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:01:08

The Meeting name is 'Quality'

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:01:47

Hello, how many people are here for the Fedora QA general discussion?

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:02:00

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:02:01

Tim Flink (tflink)

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:02:11

Hi, Tim

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:02:51

!topic Roll Call

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:03:26

Anybody else?

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:04:37

Let's wait for a couple of minutes if more people show up.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:05:00

this might be a short meeting if it's just the two of us

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:05:38

tflink: Yeah, I know. Let's give it some time :D

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:06:01

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:06:03

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:07:45

Hi, there

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:08:10

So, we are at least three people here, so we will go through the topics real quick.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:08:39

Adam is away and he wanted we met for a while just to make sure that everything is all right.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:08:46

!topic Fedora 41 Status

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:09:15

Do you have anything to the F41 status?

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:09:55

thanks, Tim

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:10:40

The latest runs of openQA are generally fine, with a couple of failures which I have not had time to investigate yet.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:11:10

I will take a look tomorrow, but I think that most of them will be some minor issues in the test logic or needles.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:12:04

Also, we have a couple of blockers proposed, both for Beta and Final, so when you time, take a look and cast your vote.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:12:24

Anything else?

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:13:06

I guess not.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:13:11

Let's move to

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:13:22

!topic Fedora 41 Test Days

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:13:38

Sumantro Mukherjee: are you around, Sumantro?

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:15:02

I guess not.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:15:53

Nevermind, this week we have an upcoming Test Day for HSM support and functionality, so if you have the possibility to take part, it would be nice.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:16:58

You can see more details here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Test_Day:2024-07-09_IPA_HSM

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:17:33

However, I am not sure what type of equipment one should have to actually be able to do it.

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:17:59

hey

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:18:07

Hello, Sumantro Mukherjee

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:18:10

i was around!!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:18:21

realistically I don't see how people test the HSM stuff

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:18:45

neither of the two supported HSMs are easy or affordable

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:19:15

Conan Kudo: I am told the downstream IPA team would participate .. its good they are asking folks to test in the open

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:19:20

We might have a community somewhere where they do have the HSM :D

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:19:29

tbh, I wonder what's the point of a test day for stuff nobody has

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:19:50

uh huh, and I have a billion dollars to invest in open source

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:20:58

neal is buying new HW for testing \o/

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:21:15

🤣

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:21:32

Conan Kudo, I see this as folks levaraging the test days platform to participate in the open source , community-powered testing approach..

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:22:02

Well, let's see how it goes. Sometimes miracles do happen and someone might be interested in a company somewhere :D

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:22:04

perhaps, but it stretches our resources and our ability to schedule test days for other things

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:22:35

What are the upcoming test days for this month, Sumantro?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:22:42

I keep getting reminded that we don't have any QA resources to spare, so stuff like this concerns me

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:23:25

right now just HSM, I might go ahead and schedule a Podman for the next minor release and maybe pick the changesets which are ready for testing

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:23:50

given branch happens this month (??)

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:23:59

True, but if none of us is able to take part, we have basically just lost the time to announce it. I understand the IPA team have written the test case by themselves.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:25:07

!info Fedora is branching on August 6th according to the schedule.

<@sumantrom:fedora.im>

15:25:27

lruzicka: the test day is announced on Fedora Magazine.. and for downstream teams, members directly reaching out goes a few miles more than things on @test list

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:27:05

Not sure I understand the remark.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:27:57

I assume that he means that the announcement doesn't cost us much but could get more people testing with appropriate hardware. if nobody additional shows up, it's not a huge loss

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:28:06

that's how I read it, anyways

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:28:59

Yeah, that should probably go to Conan Kudo then, because that was my point of view, too.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:30:09

Anyway, if no more specific test days are to discuss and this one is already scheduled anyway ....

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:30:13

!topic Open Floor

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:30:26

Do you have anything?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:30:50

So, FYI, the Fedora KDE AArch64 change has gone to FESCo to vote

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:31:25

if it's approved, I expect we'll have at least 2 (but probably more) Fedora KDE folks regularly assisting with Fedora KDE AArch64 QA.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:31:51

Thank you for the information.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:32:06

Do you know for when the vote is scheduled?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:32:11

this is in addition to the testing that is done particularly to ensure Fedora KDE works great on Apple Silicon platforms, which benefits all AArch64 platforms.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:32:42

the voting started today...

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:32:43

does that imply that if it's not approved, people won't be testing it?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:32:44

!link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3232

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:33:12

tflink: it implies that Fedora KDE won't prioritize acquisition of hardware to do AArch64 testing beyond what we have now

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:33:55

right now, our issue is we lack the hardware, and a few folks on my team have agreed to acquire hardware on their own to test r-b platforms in addition to AArch64 KVM and Apple Silicon which is tested now

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:34:49

yeah, the biggest problem with aarch64 in Fedora is getting hardware that's reasonably priced

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:35:19

well, and unlike Workstation, which gets money from Red Hat, KDE has nothing

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:35:27

so we have to work with what we can get

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:35:53

I'm not going to ask people to spend their own money for something that doesn't mean anything

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:36:25

so basically, I've tied my ask to Fedora KDE becoming release blocking on AArch64

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:36:54

as part of that, I'm looking into the lorax-aarch64 problem we've been having for a few cycles

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:37:20

potentially regardless of this change, I may wind up moving Fedora KDE away from lorax to kiwi

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:37:57

the bugs in that stack that don't make sense scare me, so I'd like to make things easier for everyone there

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:39:18

Thanks for your KDE support, Neil. I wish more desktops would be financially supported ....

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:40:16

However, I do not believe that your work is "for nothing" even if Fesco decided not to. There are lots of people using KDE and making it better for them is actually a good thing.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:40:40

Both on Apple, Raspberry, or PC.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:16

sure, but if it's not release-blocking, getting bug fixes through to GA is rather difficult

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:30

and r-b also makes things more important to KDE upstream too

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:42:02

and frankly, this was long overdue, given Fedora Asahi Remix's usage of KDE as the flagship experience

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:42:17

Oh, I totally know how you feel.

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:43:03

at this point, we're just going to rehash the arguments in the discourse thread

<@tflink:fedora.im>

15:43:11

maybe it's time to end the meeting for today?

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:43:41

Yeah, the roosters are just small governors, the Sun orders them to cockadoodle.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:44:17

!info Fesco is voting to make KDE release blocking on Aarch64.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:44:32

Anything else?

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:46:09

I guess not.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:46:28

Thank you very much for coming today folks and see you around next time.

<@lruzicka:matrix.org>

15:48:33

!endmeeting