2024-07-08 15:01:06 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !startmeeting Quality
2024-07-08 15:01:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-07-08 15:01:06 UTC
2024-07-08 15:01:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2024-07-08 15:01:47 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Hello, how many people are here for the Fedora QA general discussion?
2024-07-08 15:02:00 <@tflink:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-08 15:02:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tim Flink (tflink)
2024-07-08 15:02:11 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Hi, Tim
2024-07-08 15:02:51 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !topic Roll Call
2024-07-08 15:03:26 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Anybody else?
2024-07-08 15:04:37 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Let's wait for a couple of minutes if more people show up.
2024-07-08 15:05:00 <@tflink:fedora.im> this might be a short meeting if it's just the two of us
2024-07-08 15:05:38 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> tflink: Yeah, I know. Let's give it some time :D
2024-07-08 15:06:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-08 15:06:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-07-08 15:07:45 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Hi, there
2024-07-08 15:08:10 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> So, we are at least three people here, so we will go through the topics real quick.
2024-07-08 15:08:39 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Adam is away and he wanted we met for a while just to make sure that everything is all right.
2024-07-08 15:08:46 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !topic Fedora 41 Status
2024-07-08 15:09:15 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Do you have anything to the F41 status?
2024-07-08 15:09:55 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> thanks, Tim
2024-07-08 15:10:40 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> The latest runs of openQA are generally fine, with a couple of failures which I have not had time to investigate yet.
2024-07-08 15:11:10 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I will take a look tomorrow, but I think that most of them will be some minor issues in the test logic or needles.
2024-07-08 15:12:04 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Also, we have a couple of blockers proposed, both for Beta and Final, so when you time, take a look and cast your vote.
2024-07-08 15:12:24 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Anything else?
2024-07-08 15:13:06 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I guess not.
2024-07-08 15:13:11 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Let's move to
2024-07-08 15:13:22 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !topic Fedora 41 Test Days
2024-07-08 15:13:38 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Sumantro Mukherjee: are you around, Sumantro?
2024-07-08 15:15:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I guess not.
2024-07-08 15:15:53 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Nevermind, this week we have an upcoming Test Day for HSM support and functionality, so if you have the possibility to take part, it would be nice.
2024-07-08 15:16:58 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> You can see more details here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Test_Day:2024-07-09_IPA_HSM
2024-07-08 15:17:33 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> However, I am not sure what type of equipment one should have to actually be able to do it.
2024-07-08 15:17:59 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> hey
2024-07-08 15:18:07 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Hello, Sumantro Mukherjee 
2024-07-08 15:18:10 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> i was around!!
2024-07-08 15:18:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> realistically I don't see how people test the HSM stuff
2024-07-08 15:18:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> neither of the two supported HSMs are easy or affordable
2024-07-08 15:19:15 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Conan Kudo:  I am told the downstream IPA team would participate .. its good they are asking folks to test in the open 
2024-07-08 15:19:20 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> We might have a community somewhere where they do have the HSM :D
2024-07-08 15:19:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> tbh, I wonder what's the point of a test day for stuff nobody has
2024-07-08 15:19:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> uh huh, and I have a billion dollars to invest in open source
2024-07-08 15:20:58 <@tflink:fedora.im> neal is buying new HW for testing \o/
2024-07-08 15:21:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 🤣
2024-07-08 15:21:32 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Conan Kudo, I see this as folks levaraging the test days platform to participate in the open source , community-powered testing approach..
2024-07-08 15:22:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Well, let's see how it goes. Sometimes miracles do happen and someone might be interested in a company somewhere :D
2024-07-08 15:22:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> perhaps, but it stretches our resources and our ability to schedule test days for other things
2024-07-08 15:22:35 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> What are the upcoming test days for this month, Sumantro?
2024-07-08 15:22:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I keep getting reminded that we don't have any QA resources to spare, so stuff like this concerns me
2024-07-08 15:23:25 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> right now just HSM, I might go ahead and schedule a Podman for the next minor release and maybe pick the changesets which are ready for testing 
2024-07-08 15:23:50 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> given branch happens this month (??)
2024-07-08 15:23:59 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> True, but if none of us is able to take part, we have basically just lost the time to announce it. I understand the IPA team have written the test case by themselves.
2024-07-08 15:25:07 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !info Fedora is branching on August 6th according to the schedule.
2024-07-08 15:25:27 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> lruzicka: the test day is announced on Fedora Magazine.. and for downstream teams, members directly reaching out goes a few miles more than things on @test list
2024-07-08 15:27:05 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Not sure I understand the remark.
2024-07-08 15:27:57 <@tflink:fedora.im> I assume that he means that the announcement doesn't cost us much but could get more people testing with appropriate hardware. if nobody additional shows up, it's not a huge loss
2024-07-08 15:28:06 <@tflink:fedora.im> that's how I read it, anyways
2024-07-08 15:28:59 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Yeah, that should probably go to Conan Kudo then, because that was my point of view, too. 
2024-07-08 15:30:09 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Anyway, if no more specific test days are to discuss and this one is already scheduled anyway ....
2024-07-08 15:30:13 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-07-08 15:30:26 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Do you have anything?
2024-07-08 15:30:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> So, FYI, the Fedora KDE AArch64 change has gone to FESCo to vote
2024-07-08 15:31:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if it's approved, I expect we'll have at least 2 (but probably more) Fedora KDE folks regularly assisting with Fedora KDE AArch64 QA.
2024-07-08 15:31:51 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Thank you for the information. 
2024-07-08 15:32:06 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Do you know for when the vote is scheduled?
2024-07-08 15:32:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this is in addition to the testing that is done particularly to ensure Fedora KDE works great on Apple Silicon platforms, which benefits all AArch64 platforms.
2024-07-08 15:32:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the voting started today...
2024-07-08 15:32:43 <@tflink:fedora.im> does that imply that if it's not approved, people won't be testing it?
2024-07-08 15:32:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3232
2024-07-08 15:33:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> tflink: it implies that Fedora KDE won't prioritize acquisition of hardware to do AArch64 testing beyond what we have now
2024-07-08 15:33:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> right now, our issue is we lack the hardware, and a few folks on my team have agreed to acquire hardware on their own to test r-b platforms in addition to AArch64 KVM and Apple Silicon which is tested now
2024-07-08 15:34:49 <@tflink:fedora.im> yeah, the biggest problem with aarch64 in Fedora is getting hardware that's reasonably priced
2024-07-08 15:35:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, and unlike Workstation, which gets money from Red Hat, KDE has nothing
2024-07-08 15:35:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so we have to work with what we can get
2024-07-08 15:35:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm not going to ask people to spend their own money for something that doesn't mean anything
2024-07-08 15:36:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so basically, I've tied my ask to Fedora KDE becoming release blocking on AArch64
2024-07-08 15:36:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as part of that, I'm looking into the lorax-aarch64 problem we've been having for a few cycles
2024-07-08 15:37:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> potentially regardless of this change, I may wind up moving Fedora KDE away from lorax to kiwi
2024-07-08 15:37:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the bugs in that stack that don't make sense scare me, so I'd like to make things easier for everyone there
2024-07-08 15:39:18 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Thanks for your KDE support, Neil. I wish more desktops would be financially supported ....
2024-07-08 15:40:16 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> However, I do not believe that your work is "for nothing" even if Fesco decided not to. There are lots of people using KDE and making it better for them is actually a good thing.
2024-07-08 15:40:40 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Both on Apple, Raspberry, or PC.
2024-07-08 15:41:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sure, but if it's not release-blocking, getting bug fixes through to GA is rather difficult
2024-07-08 15:41:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and r-b also makes things more important to KDE upstream too
2024-07-08 15:42:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and frankly, this was long overdue, given Fedora Asahi Remix's usage of KDE as the flagship experience
2024-07-08 15:42:17 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Oh,  I totally know how you feel.
2024-07-08 15:43:03 <@tflink:fedora.im> at this point, we're just going to rehash the arguments in the discourse thread
2024-07-08 15:43:11 <@tflink:fedora.im> maybe it's time to end the meeting for today?
2024-07-08 15:43:41 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Yeah, the roosters are just small governors, the Sun orders them to cockadoodle.
2024-07-08 15:44:17 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !info Fesco is voting to make KDE release blocking on Aarch64.
2024-07-08 15:44:32 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Anything else?
2024-07-08 15:46:09 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I guess not. 
2024-07-08 15:46:28 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Thank you very much for coming today folks and see you around next time.
2024-07-08 15:48:33 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !endmeeting