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2024-11-11 16:00:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2024-11-11 16:00:39 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-11-11 16:00:38 UTC
2024-11-11 16:00:39 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2024-11-11 16:00:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-11-11 16:00:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hi
2024-11-11 16:00:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
2024-11-11 16:01:53 <@smilner:fedora.im> !hi
2024-11-11 16:01:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (smilner)
2024-11-11 16:02:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi steve
2024-11-11 16:02:33 <@smilner:fedora.im> Hey Adam!
2024-11-11 16:02:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> today is a holiday in a lot of places, so we might not have many folks...let's see
2024-11-11 16:03:25 <@smilner:fedora.im> Ahh gotcha. I'm more so listening in and seeing if I can be of help. I plan to join more often as time permits.
2024-11-11 16:03:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi kamil
2024-11-11 16:04:46 <@kparal:matrix.org> maybe we should poke some people
2024-11-11 16:05:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> is today a holiday in czech?
2024-11-11 16:05:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i didn't wanna poke on a holiday
2024-11-11 16:05:34 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am here.
2024-11-11 16:05:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's always a holiday for lruzicka , though
2024-11-11 16:05:39 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> No holiday, no Czech.
2024-11-11 16:06:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ooo, then let the pinging commence
2024-11-11 16:07:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> František Zatloukal: Josef Skladanka Sumantro Mukherjee Lukas Brabec get your butts in here ;)
2024-11-11 16:07:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who'd i miss
2024-11-11 16:07:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> bittin is sick according to her nick
2024-11-11 16:07:33 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> o/
2024-11-11 16:09:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> allllrighty
2024-11-11 16:09:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's get going
2024-11-11 16:10:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2024-11-11 16:10:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> in the new tradition:
2024-11-11 16:10:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to propose rewording of the beta upgrade criterion footnote about package sets" still didn't do that yet
2024-11-11 16:10:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action adamw to propose rewording of the beta upgrade criterion footnote about package sets
2024-11-11 16:10:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> siiiigh
2024-11-11 16:10:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> one day
2024-11-11 16:10:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other followup?
2024-11-11 16:11:56 <@kparal:matrix.org> I don't have any
2024-11-11 16:12:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> okay then
2024-11-11 16:12:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 41 post-release check-in
2024-11-11 16:12:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, things mostly seem to be going okay?
2024-11-11 16:12:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> someone on mastodon was very upset about the gimp snapshot we shipped, yesterday
2024-11-11 16:13:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> did anyone bother testing that? i knew we were shipping a pre-release, but hey, it got signed off through the change process and it's not release blocking, so...
2024-11-11 16:13:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i did use it once during the cycle i think, it worked okay for what i needed.
2024-11-11 16:13:36 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am using Gimp occassionally and did not notice anything bad with it.
2024-11-11 16:13:45 <@kparal:matrix.org> I still have some common issues proposals in my backlog to go through, sigh. Like the `mousekeys` one.
2024-11-11 16:13:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh yeah, that looked bad
2024-11-11 16:14:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I was glad that we had the 3.0 (although prerelease) version.
2024-11-11 16:14:02 <@kparal:matrix.org> or bluetooth
2024-11-11 16:14:30 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> I was able to accomplish some basic stuff in the shipped gimp 3.0 just fine
2024-11-11 16:14:36 <@frantisekz:fedora.im> the one in u-t
2024-11-11 16:16:37 <@kparal:matrix.org> hmm, I found one issue that I wasn't able to debug - my F39->F41 upgrade didn't receive new desktop apps like Camera and Ptyxis
2024-11-11 16:16:51 <@kparal:matrix.org> even `dnf group upgrade` didn't bring them
2024-11-11 16:17:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hmm
2024-11-11 16:17:11 <@kparal:matrix.org> but I assume nobody will want to care about it at this point
2024-11-11 16:17:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there are no obsoletes so it's normal that a regular upgrade doesn't switch, but i would've thought group update woul
2024-11-11 16:17:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there are no obsoletes so it's normal that regular upgrade logic doesn't switch, but i would've thought group update logic would
2024-11-11 16:17:41 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Really? Because I saw another situation, the new applications arrived but coexisted with the old ones.
2024-11-11 16:17:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, that's what i'd expect...
2024-11-11 16:18:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we could test a scratch f39 install and upgrade and see what happens?
2024-11-11 16:18:24 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Sure, I will do it.
2024-11-11 16:18:30 <@kparal:matrix.org> I have a suspicion that the recently added `exclude_from_weak_autodetect` option to dnf (possibly also with dnf5) makes the group command be not useful
2024-11-11 16:18:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> maybe try with dnf and gnome-software and see if it's different
2024-11-11 16:18:42 <@kparal:matrix.org> but that's just a guess. It takes a lot of time to figure this out
2024-11-11 16:19:00 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Rogers. Kenny.
2024-11-11 16:20:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alright. on the whole seems like we're doing fine
2024-11-11 16:24:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Dist-git replacement and Konflux updates
2024-11-11 16:24:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, i wanted to make sure everyone's up to date with the exciting ongoing developments...
2024-11-11 16:25:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> in case anyone didn't know, pagure is going away, to be replaced by either gitlab f/oss edition or forgejo (which is a fork from gitea)
2024-11-11 16:26:04 <@farchord:fedora.im> Adam, that's both for pagure.io _and_ src.fp.o right?
2024-11-11 16:26:24 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Yep
2024-11-11 16:26:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yes
2024-11-11 16:26:28 <@farchord:fedora.im> ok
2024-11-11 16:27:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there's a process ongoing to evaluate the options, and there are demo instances of each forge - https://gitlab.gitlab-gitlab-system.apps.fedora.cj14.p1.openshiftapps.com/ for gitlab, https://forgejoroute-communishift-forgejo.apps.fedora.cj14.p1.openshiftapps.com/ for forgejo
2024-11-11 16:27:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there aer a bunch of links about the process at https://fedora-arc.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dist-git-comparison/index.html
2024-11-11 16:31:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> right now, i believe, we're being asked to evaluate the use cases we came up with previously against both forges. the folks in brno are working on that
2024-11-11 16:32:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> note there's a bit of scope vagueness here in that the new forge is likely also going to be a candidate to replace bugzilla, and most of our uses cases are bugzilla things, not things from the current dist-git pagure
2024-11-11 16:34:21 <@kparal:matrix.org> if anyone is aware of a QA use case that doesn't seem to be viable in one of the forge demos, ping me
2024-11-11 16:34:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> The investigation is largely looking at replacing src.fp.o. with either gitlab or forgejo. Project hosting is important, but can work on a functional level with either option. How fedoras dist-git setup is is a bit more....complex I suppose would be a word for it 🤷‍♀️
2024-11-11 16:34:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> The highlights at this point are:
2024-11-11 16:34:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> The report on how each forge fared against use cases is due to fedora council by Dec 5th.
2024-11-11 16:34:25 <@amoloney:fedora.im> I would *love* to say we'd get a decision then by the end of the year, but this is something we should not rush, so it might be January 
2024-11-11 16:36:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so yeah, please flag up anything you find to kamil, or post it on https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/inviting-testers-for-git-forge-usecases/129016/ . if you have a use case that isn't already covered at https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/arc/issue/164 you can add it there (but do read the existing ones, a lot of stuff is covered)
2024-11-11 16:36:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info dist-git forge replacement process is ongoing, please see the links at https://fedora-arc.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dist-git-comparison/index.html and contribute your feedback
2024-11-11 16:37:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> as for the other thing: konflux is red hat's shiny new...thing...for...building...stuff
2024-11-11 16:38:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's built on tekton - https://tekton.dev/
2024-11-11 16:38:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> currently it mostly builds containers, but rh has grand plans for it to build, well, everything
2024-11-11 16:38:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> konflux page - https://konflux-ci.dev/
2024-11-11 16:40:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> konflux will be coming to fedora also. at least, we're trying. if it fails miserably, so be it. there is a fedora konflux instance at https://konflux.apps.kfluxfedorap01.toli.p1.openshiftapps.com/application-pipeline/ , see https://gist.github.com/ralphbean/a3644111a549e8cedb0b207f90d42dc9 for more info on it
2024-11-11 16:41:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> various folks are working on ideas to actually build stuff in it. we may try building the newish bootc base and IoT images (which are currently built with rpm-ostree in the IoT compose) in konflux instead. there's going to be an effort to try building RPMs in konflux
2024-11-11 16:42:16 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> For the dist git stuff, we have a meeting on the Thursday 
2024-11-11 16:44:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/konflux-fedora-bootc/134947 is a topic about the bootc stuff
2024-11-11 16:44:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/konflux-meetings-every-other-wednesday/131996 is about meetings of a konflux-in-fedora SIG (sign up if you're interested)
2024-11-11 16:45:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this is mostly just a "heads up, stuff's gonna be happening, follow along/join up if you're interested" topic
2024-11-11 16:46:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Konflux is the shiny new thing for building things, various efforts are ongoing to try using it for stuff in Fedora. see https://gist.github.com/ralphbean/a3644111a549e8cedb0b207f90d42dc9 , https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/konflux-fedora-bootc/134947 , https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/konflux-meetings-every-other-wednesday/131996 and some other places
2024-11-11 16:48:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2024-11-11 16:48:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Sumantro Mukherjee: take it away!
2024-11-11 16:48:39 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-11-11_Anaconda_WebUI_for_Fedora_Workstation
2024-11-11 16:48:53 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Anaconda WebUI test day is underway
2024-11-11 16:49:36 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Thanks a ton to Anaconda Devs for such early testing in the cycle 
2024-11-11 16:50:27 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> The Podman 5.3 was successful and thanks to Mohan Boddu:  and lsm5: for all the cooperation!! 
2024-11-11 16:51:01 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Call for test days went out last week and it's a good time to propose test days!!
2024-11-11 16:51:19 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Adamw that's all!! EOM
2024-11-11 16:51:55 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Btw, we will have a test days for distgit when , stay tuned 
2024-11-11 16:52:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yep, everyone please contribute to the anaconda webui test day, it's really important
2024-11-11 16:52:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info anaconda webUI test day is ongoing at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-11-11_Anaconda_WebUI_for_Fedora_Workstation , this is the planned new UI for anaconda (the installer) so testing and feedback is really important, please give it a shot and help out!
2024-11-11 16:53:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> of course only test on a VM or other disposable system :)
2024-11-11 16:54:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-11-11 16:54:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business, folks?
2024-11-11 16:55:08 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Nothing from my end!
2024-11-11 16:56:40 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> I am doing the upgrade tests, but I will not have them ready any time soon.
2024-11-11 16:56:46 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Will send a result to the test list.
2024-11-11 16:57:16 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Awesome lruzicka: 
2024-11-11 16:58:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks lruzicka
2024-11-11 16:59:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Reminder F39 is EOL on November 26th
2024-11-11 17:02:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yup, that
2024-11-11 17:02:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info F39 EOL is November 26, set your calendar
2024-11-11 17:02:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, thanks for coming everyone
2024-11-11 17:02:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting