2024-11-25 16:00:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2024-11-25 16:00:47 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-11-25 16:00:46 UTC
2024-11-25 16:00:47 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2024-11-25 16:00:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-11-25 16:00:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hi
2024-11-25 16:00:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
2024-11-25 16:00:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who's around for quality meeting fun?
2024-11-25 16:00:58 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2024-11-25 16:01:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2024-11-25 16:02:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, this is awkward
2024-11-25 16:02:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> :D
2024-11-25 16:02:29 <@farchord:fedora.im> Will the quality meeting fun be of the highest quality? Or do we need a meeting for that?
2024-11-25 16:02:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the fun is entirely notional
2024-11-25 16:02:51 <@farchord:fedora.im> XD
2024-11-25 16:07:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's do a boutique, small-batch, artisanally-crafted meeting
2024-11-25 16:08:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2024-11-25 16:08:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info as is now the tradition, adamw still hasn't done "adamw to propose rewording of the beta upgrade criterion footnote about package sets", and totally promises he'll do it sometime this decade
2024-11-25 16:09:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other followup?
2024-11-25 16:10:33 <@kparal:matrix.org> nothing here
2024-11-25 16:10:45 <@sumantrom:fedora.im> Nothing here as well
2024-11-25 16:11:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty
2024-11-25 16:11:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 42 status
2024-11-25 16:11:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there's a few things going on....latest kernel builds seem to be failing to boot in openqa so they're gated, last anaconda build didn't hide its window title in KDE so it's gated
2024-11-25 16:12:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> not aware of anything terrible that's made it through gating
2024-11-25 16:12:12 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone else have any notes?
2024-11-25 16:13:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oof, brb
2024-11-25 16:13:40 <@kparal:matrix.org> I don't know about any fire in F42. Still looking at Forgejo, will write up some summary soon.
2024-11-25 16:13:52 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Seems to be working okay for my toy Raspberry Pi deployments
2024-11-25 16:19:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrightyh
2024-11-25 16:19:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Anaconda webui test week follow-up
2024-11-25 16:19:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info so we had the anaconda webui test week, https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/204 , thanks a lot to everyone who joined in
2024-11-25 16:20:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it looks like on the whole the experience was fairly good but there are several bug reports
2024-11-25 16:20:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> as this is a pretty significant area we should probably follow up specifically on those, i'll tag them all in the whiteboard for now so we can find them easily later
2024-11-25 16:22:33 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> Thanks to everyone involved! :)
2024-11-25 16:23:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I think my issue with BIOS dual boot Windows 10 machines and space reclaiming is fixed, but I haven't gotten a chance to check yet
2024-11-25 16:23:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> mkolman: do you have any particular plans for followup? did you get useful feedback out of the event?
2024-11-25 16:24:51 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> jkonecny: will know more, but we definitely got some very useful feedback & found important bugs to fix :)
2024-11-25 16:25:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks
2024-11-25 16:26:56 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> I don't think we have another organized even just now - basically just fix what is important & possible for F42 & record relevant feedback for fixing going further. :)
2024-11-25 16:27:15 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> (fixing and implementation)
2024-11-25 16:27:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info anaconda team is happy with the feedback and bug reports and will be working on fixes
2024-11-25 16:28:33 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> BTW, it seems to me that some features (such as resize & multi-boot) while were always available, are easier to use & people do make use of them.
2024-11-25 16:28:53 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> So some of the bugs might even be edge case reproducible in the GTK GUI. :)
2024-11-25 16:29:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, i'm seeing that
2024-11-25 16:29:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> several of the reports look to be not webui-related
2024-11-25 16:31:25 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> Yeah. The Web UI having a powerful upstream unit test framework (coming from Cockpit) should help a lot - we never really had anything like this upstream before.
2024-11-25 16:32:07 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> So some if not most of these issues once fixed should be covered by Web UI unit tests AFAIK. :)
2024-11-25 16:33:27 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> That should make it hopefully easier to spot some more complex breakage before it blows up in OpenQA. :)
2024-11-25 16:33:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks mkolman!
2024-11-25 16:35:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty
2024-11-25 16:36:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2024-11-25 16:37:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info aside from the webui test week (see previous topic), kernel 6.12 test week is coming up december 1-8 - https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/205 , http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2024-12-01_Kernel_6.12_Test_Week
2024-11-25 16:37:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> please come along and help out if you can
2024-11-25 16:37:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> not aware of anything else coming up
2024-11-25 16:40:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2024-11-25 16:40:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business, folks?
2024-11-25 16:42:42 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Are the meeting announcement email templates somewhere? I would like to add a 
2024-11-25 16:42:42 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> date -d '2024-11-25 16:00 UTC' or whatever invocation to the body text, like a lot of other Fedora announcement emails
2024-11-25 16:46:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> they are in my outbox
2024-11-25 16:46:37 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Well fine then :D
2024-11-25 16:46:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i put the web link in as a more user-friendly alternative to that
2024-11-25 16:46:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it felt a bit stereotypical to be recommending console commands
2024-11-25 16:48:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i suppose we could have both
2024-11-25 16:49:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and, i suppose, in your inbox. :D i just copy it from week to week and edit appropriately. naturally, i never make *any* mistakes
2024-11-25 16:50:29 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Having another thing to manually edit in an email feels like unnecessary work to satisfy my preference for consistency
2024-11-25 16:52:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's a bit awkward because obviously it always requires some level of editing, it's not like the release validation emails which can be entirely automated
2024-11-25 16:52:10 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Yeah
2024-11-25 16:53:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, guess we're done...thanks for coming, folks!
2024-11-25 16:54:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting