2025-01-20 16:00:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2025-01-20 16:00:20 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-01-20 16:00:19 UTC
2025-01-20 16:00:21 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2025-01-20 16:00:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-01-20 16:00:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-20 16:00:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
2025-01-20 16:01:04 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> Hi
2025-01-20 16:01:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how's everyone doing? nice to see you bittin, hope you're feeling good
2025-01-20 16:01:23 <@derekenz:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-20 16:01:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Derek Enz (derekenz)
2025-01-20 16:02:35 <@coremodule:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-20 16:02:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Geoffrey Marr (coremodule)
2025-01-20 16:02:49 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> Cristian from Chile
2025-01-20 16:03:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> everyone have a good holiday period?
2025-01-20 16:04:11 <@bittin:matrix.org> i am okay
2025-01-20 16:04:29 <@amoloney:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-20 16:04:30 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aoife Moloney (amoloney)
2025-01-20 16:04:50 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> yes
2025-01-20 16:05:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> cool cool]
2025-01-20 16:05:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2025-01-20 16:06:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to propose rewording of the beta upgrade criterion footnote about package sets" - in frankly shocking news, this time I actually did it: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/JXI77B3EOLU23TZQLI5PARHNETI4MFIL/
2025-01-20 16:06:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> now settle in for another four-month wait for me to remember to reply to the comments!
2025-01-20 16:06:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's all the action items, any other follow-up from last week?
2025-01-20 16:08:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty then
2025-01-20 16:08:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 42 status
2025-01-20 16:08:47 <@kparal:matrix.org> you actually reply faster than me...
2025-01-20 16:09:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> nirik ahoy...what's the mass rebuild status? done?
2025-01-20 16:10:00 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> hello, I'm a new member of this group, but I'm quickly getting up to speed on all the progress you've made so far
2025-01-20 16:10:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> in releng meeting, but... yeah, mostly done, there's some packages that are on the needs rebuild list but not on the failed list, we wanted to try and sort that out, but probibly merge later today hopefully?
2025-01-20 16:10:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> rgr, thanks
2025-01-20 16:10:23 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi supra! thanks for joining
2025-01-20 16:10:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the meetings aren't usually super exciting, but welcome :)
2025-01-20 16:10:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info the f42 mass rebuild is nearly finished, should be merged soon
2025-01-20 16:10:59 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> ahoy
2025-01-20 16:11:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki//Changes/Unify_bin_and_sbin landed recently, which caused some breakage; be on the lookout for any more, and report anything you find (any issues involving /usr/sbin or /sbin are likely caused by that)
2025-01-20 16:11:36 <@kparal:matrix.org> Sumantro Mukherjee needs to rebuild fedora-easy-karma, because it has broken deps in F42 atm
2025-01-20 16:12:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info GNOME 48 also seems to be on the way, at least Shell got an update to 48-alpha
2025-01-20 16:12:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action Sumantro Mukherjee to rebuild fedora-easy-karma on f42 to fix broken deps
2025-01-20 16:12:32 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> ok
2025-01-20 16:12:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone have any other notes on f42 currently? noticed any significant issues that aren't being tracked?
2025-01-20 16:13:01 <@bittin:matrix.org> https://release.gnome.org/calendar/ typ
2025-01-20 16:13:03 <@bittin:matrix.org> yup*
2025-01-20 16:13:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i meant, on the way in f42
2025-01-20 16:13:16 <@bittin:matrix.org> ah
2025-01-20 16:14:29 <@derekenz:fedora.im> No significant issues that I can think of
2025-01-20 16:14:37 <@amoloney:fedora.im> There are a few changes gone to FESCo for voting that might be noteworthy
2025-01-20 16:15:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> which ones?
2025-01-20 16:15:10 <@amoloney:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderUpdatesPhase1 
2025-01-20 16:15:26 <@amoloney:fedora.im> although that might be more feedback-ish
2025-01-20 16:16:00 <@amoloney:fedora.im> looking through the list now
2025-01-20 16:16:33 <@amoloney:fedora.im> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShellExtensionDependencyGenerator looks interesting too
2025-01-20 16:17:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh yeah, i think i heard some rumblings about that one
2025-01-20 16:17:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> which ones?
2025-01-20 16:18:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh yeah, i think i heard some rumblings about that one
2025-01-20 16:18:08 <@amoloney:fedora.im> and maybe this one too, although that looks straightforward https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IntelSGX
2025-01-20 16:18:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> like it might make it harder especially for people running branched/rawhide and getting new shell versions early...
2025-01-20 16:18:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> SGX doesn't look like it might break anything, the others definitely do
2025-01-20 16:18:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> bootloaderupdate might be worth a test day
2025-01-20 16:19:31 <@amoloney:fedora.im> as soon as its voted on, Ill get trackers assigned to those aproved and send a heads up to the change owners that the testable deadline is in about 2 weeks (even the ones in the FESCo queue, no harm in having those folks be aware too)
2025-01-20 16:20:09 <@amoloney:fedora.im> and I suppose this one will be interesting too if its approved for F42 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KojiLocalImageBuilder
2025-01-20 16:21:19 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> what's the biggest change in Fedora 41 compared to the last one?
2025-01-20 16:21:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Supra Software it really depends a lot on what you use fedora for. you can see the list of official Changes at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/41/ChangeSet
2025-01-20 16:22:03 <@amoloney:fedora.im> theres an anaconda installer  change too actually that might be the biggest one for QA to be aware of if approved https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_Installer_Using_GPT_on_all_architectures_by_Default
2025-01-20 16:22:30 <@amoloney:fedora.im> the rest are all self-contained and *should* be ok... :crosses fingers:
2025-01-20 16:23:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i actually have poked at that one a bit and it's surprisingly constrained, because we were already defaulting to GPT on the release-blocking arches
2025-01-20 16:25:04 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Thats a good question and really depends on who you ask I suppose! Some changes are more visible to users, and some will be more impactful on infra and QA when testing. Thats not really a clear answer, but its the nature of software I guess 😊
2025-01-20 16:25:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://github.com/storaged-project/blivet/pull/1322 is the actual change. it'll affect s390 and ppc64le i think
2025-01-20 16:26:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info Aoife Moloney flagged up various pending Changes that could be significant, thanks a lot
2025-01-20 16:26:27 <@amoloney:fedora.im> welcome :)
2025-01-20 16:27:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else on f42?
2025-01-20 16:29:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, one thing lukas and I should note, actually
2025-01-20 16:29:29 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Go ahead :D
2025-01-20 16:29:32 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> absolutely, users who use Fedora expect a robust system and a reliable way to report bugs, which Fedora provides. In my case, I use Fedora for work, including some Python development
2025-01-20 16:29:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info openQA tests for anaconda webui are on hold while we work with the anaconda team to see if they can apply their upstream tests to distro validation
2025-01-20 16:30:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ...which would save lukas and I a bunch of work if it works out, so we're hoping it will :D
2025-01-20 16:32:51 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> perfect, this will help mitigate risks
2025-01-20 16:33:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, moving on...
2025-01-20 16:33:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ...or not!
2025-01-20 16:33:54 <@amoloney:fedora.im> Actually there is one thing that is being planned for post F42, and shouldnt interfere with the actual release, but I think its best to start flagging it now so folks are prepared in case there is any outages or downtime. nirik and I and other members of the CLE team are planning a datacentre move for Fedora with RH-IT. We believe this should go ok as most of the hardware Fedora needs will be in the new datacentre anyway, but there may be a few physical machines to be moved that have some services running. We are targeting about 1-2 weeks post F42 release
2025-01-20 16:34:13 <@amoloney:fedora.im> sorry, I thought it best to mention this now. There'll be more comms about this in the next month
2025-01-20 16:34:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, yeah, i'm also involved in that as it'll involve moving openQA
2025-01-20 16:34:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> don't *think* it has any other impact on us
2025-01-20 16:34:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, blockerbugs and testdays may be subject to outages i guess
2025-01-20 16:35:03 <@amoloney:fedora.im> yeah I think thats on the physical machines moving, but they should go after we release so were not expecting any impact on QA, or others
2025-01-20 16:35:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info a Fedora data centre move is planned for shortly after the F42 release, all services may be prone to outage during that time, including openQA, blockerbugs, testdays etc. expect more communication closer to the date
2025-01-20 16:36:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2025-01-20 16:36:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> not sure Sumantro Mukherjee is around...
2025-01-20 16:36:28 <@bittin:matrix.org> Is there any Kernel 6.13 test week/day planned?
2025-01-20 16:36:33 <@bittin:matrix.org> as that released earlier today
2025-01-20 16:36:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> there isn't one showing yet, but i would assume there will be
2025-01-20 16:37:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> jforbes around? is a kernel 6.13 test week coming?
2025-01-20 16:38:11 <@jforbes:fedora.im> I am, it is
2025-01-20 16:38:27 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Always 2 weeks after release, I will get the issue filed today
2025-01-20 16:38:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> awesome, thanks!
2025-01-20 16:38:36 <@bittin:matrix.org> thx cool :)
2025-01-20 16:38:36 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> has anyone installed the 6.13 kernel yet? I'm wondering if there are any known bugs, since it's a pretty recent releas
2025-01-20 16:38:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info a kernel 6.13 test week will be coming in about two weeks
2025-01-20 16:38:43 <@jforbes:fedora.im> still trying to figure out gcc15 failures
2025-01-20 16:38:45 <@bittin:matrix.org> so first week of February?
2025-01-20 16:38:48 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> has anyone installed the 6.13 kernel yet? I'm wondering if there are any known bugs, since it's a pretty recent release
2025-01-20 16:38:48 <@bittin:matrix.org> if i count correctly
2025-01-20 16:39:07 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Yes, Feb 2-8
2025-01-20 16:39:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Supra Software yeah, I'm using it on rawhide. there was some stuff in the RC timeframe like always, but everything I know of got resolved
2025-01-20 16:39:16 <@bittin:matrix.org> thank you
2025-01-20 16:40:12 <@jforbes:fedora.im> The GCC failures were not just the 23 stuff, and they were supposed to be testing kernel builds before dropping a release, but they "assumed it was the std 23 failures" and just dropped us
2025-01-20 16:40:47 <@bittin:matrix.org> hope it will get sorted out
2025-01-20 16:41:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ugh, that's annoying
2025-01-20 16:42:14 <@jforbes:fedora.im> 3 diff failures on 3 diff arches
2025-01-20 16:42:49 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> ok
2025-01-20 16:43:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, since sumantro isn't here let's move on...there will be more events and so on closer to the f42 release
2025-01-20 16:43:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-01-20 16:43:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business, folks?
2025-01-20 16:43:23 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Not so far.
2025-01-20 16:43:34 <@derekenz:fedora.im> All good for now
2025-01-20 16:43:56 <@bittin:matrix.org> nope
2025-01-20 16:45:11 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> all Fedora 42 spins have the same release date?
2025-01-20 16:45:35 <@bittin:matrix.org> thats the plan
2025-01-20 16:45:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yes, well, coreos usually 'releases' a bit later, in the sense of 'changes its stable stream to 42'
2025-01-20 16:47:48 <@suprasoftware:matrix.org> all fedora 42 spins have the same release date?
2025-01-20 16:49:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, thanks a lot for coming everyone! see you next time
2025-01-20 16:49:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting