<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:00:35
!startmeeting Quality
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:00:36
!topic Roll Call
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:00:36
!hi
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:37
Meeting started at 2025-02-03 16:00:35 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:37
The Meeting name is 'Quality'
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:00:38
Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:02:30
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:02:32
Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
<@derekenz:fedora.im>
16:03:15
!hi
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:03:15
hi brandon
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:03:16
Derek Enz (derekenz)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:03:17
hi derek
<@lruzicka:matrix.org>
16:04:41
Hey
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:04:56
how's everyone doing this extremely cold morning
<@lruzicka:matrix.org>
16:05:32
Not that cold here
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:05:45
Seasonal here
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:05:52
Unlike the last three weeks
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:07:25
lruzicka hmm, must be a bug in your weather
<@lruzicka:matrix.org>
16:08:06
Or a local patách?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:08:15
heh
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:08:18
alrighty, let's see...
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:08:24
!topic Previous meeting follow-up
<@seaninspace:fedora.im>
16:09:35
hi also!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:09:36
!info "Sumantro Mukherjee to rebuild fedora-easy-karma on f42 to fix broken deps" - looks like this was done, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-6228048653 , with a followup by besser82 , https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-c78106187f
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:09:39
hi sean!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:09:49
i assume it is also quite cold in space
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:11:26
!topic WebUI testing
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:11:57
so, one of the big changes for f42 is we're actually going to ship workstation live with the new anaconda ui (unless it gets reverted again), so we've gotta change that
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:12:04
so, one of the big changes for f42 is we're actually going to ship workstation live with the new anaconda ui (unless it gets reverted again), so we've gotta test that
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:12:30
!info https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/763 is a ticket for updating the test cases and matrix, https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/os-autoinst-distri-fedora/issue/351 is for adding openQA tests
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:13:05
!info I'm working on the former again since friday, the latter is paused pending a proposal from the anaconda team to reuse their upstream webui tests instead, which we're working on ATM
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:13:53
i'll send out a list post when i'm done with the wiki stuff, i guess, and expect to see webui tests in the matrix after that
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:14:04
anyone see anything missing in the plan? have any concerns about webui testing?
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:14:37
Just skimmed both of those, looks like most bases seem covered?
<@derekenz:fedora.im>
16:15:25
Yeah looks good
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:06
cool cool
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:11
!topic Fedora 42 status
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:25
lots going on here...
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:17:40
!info f42 branching is planned for tomorrow (that's when f42 becomes a separate branch from rawhide)
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:18:28
bless you!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:18:35
was that a meaningful cough?
<@farchord:fedora.im>
16:19:14
Sorry. Didnt mean to crash the meeting. Have you heard anything about the GCC issues crashing the kde update?
<@farchord:fedora.im>
16:19:52
If 42 gets branched tomorrow, I _think_ that means that update is sunk?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:20:30
i don't think so, i think pending updates carry over
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:20:40
this is partly why updates go by release number in bodhi, not branch
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:20:51
hi kamil
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:21:05
afaik we're waiting on upstreams there, and it's been determined to be a bug in gcc 15 itself
<@farchord:fedora.im>
16:21:05
Ah ok.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:21:17
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=116506
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:21:45
"Destructors of Temporary Awaitables" would be a solid band name
<@farchord:fedora.im>
16:21:57
Yeah I guess that means we can't build Plasma 6.3 for F42/rawhide if it's not done by friday...
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:22:21
didn't they win Best Dark Metal Album for "Coredump" last night?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:23:13
Steve Cossette [Farchord] i don't think so? well, after tomorrow rawhide and f42 will be separate things, so you'd have to build it for *both* if you want it in both, but afaik you can
<@farchord:fedora.im>
16:25:08
Oh well yeah I can, but the gcc bug will still rear it's ugly head XD
<@farchord:fedora.im>
16:25:14
But anyway. XD
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:26:34
oh, yeah. until that's fixed
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:26:49
unless someone's found a workaround, some magic gcc arg, but i don't recall seeing one
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:27:03
anyhoo...gnome-shell 48 has landed, not sure when the rest of 48 is showing up
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:27:36
we're having some issues with the rename of tracker to tinysparql which have broken openqa and buildroot a few times - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12551
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
16:28:00
pending updates are unpushed and need to be done again
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:28:10
oh, okay. so, that
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:28:28
presumably they can just be re-pushed though?
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
16:28:44
no
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
16:29:13
at least, not without rebuilding everything in rawhide
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:29:29
oh, well that's a shame.
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
16:29:48
(a F42 side-tag update would end up being only submitted to F42, not Rawhide-is-now-F43)
<@decathorpe:fedora.im>
16:30:26
the mass branching SOP unpushes updates that are stuck at branching time to avoid situations like these 😅
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:32:00
thanks for the correction
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:32:10
i feel like i had something else to note about f42 but darned if i can remember what
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:32:54
anyone else have f42 notes?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:34:41
alrighty then
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:34:44
!topic Test Day / community event status
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:35:31
!info kernel 6.13 test week is ongoing: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/797 , https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/207
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:35:36
please help test if you have time!
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:35:51
The performance test doesn't work for me on a fully updated f42 system...
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:36:13
"too many arguments" lat_rpc.c, function local
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:36:17
GCC fallout I assume
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:36:57
I acknowledge that's technically a rawhide system I suppose
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:38:48
still the same right now
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:38:55
jforbes around? are you aware of this?
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:39:06
Also, the wiki page no longer has a link to a test image, but references it several times.
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:39:27
Sumantro Mukherjee didn't check in...i'll see if i can smooth that over in a bit
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:39:53
People are clearly having success with F41, so I don't think any of this is a huge deal
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:40:05
Just stumbled across it as I'm sitting here
<@jforbes:fedora.im>
16:40:40
Yes, I am aware. livecd creator is borked ATM, so I didn't get the images done in time, planning to debug it today
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:41:12
Okay, so the references should stay. Good to know!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:41:36
jforbes we're still using livecd-creator for the image?! we should modernize that to lmc or kiwi
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:41:52
is there some reference or something you're using for how to build it?
<@jforbes:fedora.im>
16:42:36
Yeah, I was. I had been doing it that way since we started and it hadn't been broken, so I didn't look into anything new
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:43:06
ah, well, fair enough
<@jforbes:fedora.im>
16:43:09
And since it is broken, I will be looking into alternatives today... But as of the 6.12 test week, it was still working
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:43:25
what are the customizations actually needed for the image? just including a specific kernel build and some extra tools, or what?
<@jforbes:fedora.im>
16:43:46
a couple of extra tools and pointing to my repo so it picks up the new kernel
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:43:55
!info jforbes is aware of issues with the performance test and the test image not being available yet, we're working on it
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:44:04
ok, that should be pretty easy to do
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:44:11
i'll try and help you out with it after the meeting
<@jforbes:fedora.im>
16:44:54
https://paste.centos.org/view/ee1700a8 That is the full kickstart I use, nothing fancy
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:45:02
goddamn it my system keeps playing a mysterious notification beep with no associated notification and i have no damn clue what it's coming from
<@jforbes:fedora.im>
16:45:30
0001-annoy-adamw-at-random.patch is doing it's job!
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:45:31
The number of unsolicited notifications is *too damn high*
<@derekenz:fedora.im>
16:45:59
Must be a GCC thing
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:46:49
oh, also
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:47:00
!info a test day for GNOME Software's dnf5 port is incoming - https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/798
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:47:05
expect it next week or the week after
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:47:55
anything else on this topic?
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:51:26
alrighty
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:51:28
!topic Open floor
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:53:43
anything else at all? LD
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:53:49
anything else at all? :D
<@nielsenb:fedora.im>
16:53:54
Not from me
<@derekenz:fedora.im>
16:54:10
Nothing here
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:56:06
alrighty, thanks for coming, everyone!
<@adamwill:fedora.im>
16:56:07
!endmeeting