2025-02-03 16:00:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2025-02-03 16:00:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-02-03 16:00:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-03 16:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-03 16:00:35 UTC
2025-02-03 16:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2025-02-03 16:00:38 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
2025-02-03 16:02:30 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-03 16:02:32 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2025-02-03 16:03:15 <@derekenz:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-03 16:03:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi brandon
2025-02-03 16:03:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Derek Enz (derekenz)
2025-02-03 16:03:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi derek
2025-02-03 16:04:41 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Hey
2025-02-03 16:04:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how's everyone doing this extremely cold morning
2025-02-03 16:05:32 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Not that cold here
2025-02-03 16:05:45 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Seasonal here
2025-02-03 16:05:52 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Unlike the last three weeks
2025-02-03 16:07:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> lruzicka hmm, must be a bug in your weather
2025-02-03 16:08:06 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> Or a local patách?
2025-02-03 16:08:15 <@adamwill:fedora.im> heh
2025-02-03 16:08:18 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, let's see...
2025-02-03 16:08:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2025-02-03 16:09:35 <@seaninspace:fedora.im> hi also!
2025-02-03 16:09:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "Sumantro Mukherjee to rebuild fedora-easy-karma on f42 to fix broken deps" - looks like this was done, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-6228048653 , with a followup by besser82 , https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2025-c78106187f
2025-02-03 16:09:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi sean!
2025-02-03 16:09:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i assume it is also quite cold in space
2025-02-03 16:11:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic WebUI testing
2025-02-03 16:11:57 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, one of the big changes for f42 is we're actually going to ship workstation live with the new anaconda ui (unless it gets reverted again), so we've gotta change that
2025-02-03 16:12:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, one of the big changes for f42 is we're actually going to ship workstation live with the new anaconda ui (unless it gets reverted again), so we've gotta test that
2025-02-03 16:12:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/763 is a ticket for updating the test cases and matrix, https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/os-autoinst-distri-fedora/issue/351 is for adding openQA tests
2025-02-03 16:13:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info I'm working on the former again since friday, the latter is paused pending a proposal from the anaconda team to reuse their upstream webui tests instead, which we're working on ATM
2025-02-03 16:13:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'll send out a list post when i'm done with the wiki stuff, i guess, and expect to see webui tests in the matrix after that
2025-02-03 16:14:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone see anything missing in the plan? have any concerns about webui testing?
2025-02-03 16:14:37 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Just skimmed both of those, looks like most bases seem covered?
2025-02-03 16:15:25 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Yeah looks good
2025-02-03 16:17:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> cool cool
2025-02-03 16:17:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 42 status
2025-02-03 16:17:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> lots going on here...
2025-02-03 16:17:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info f42 branching is planned for tomorrow (that's when f42 becomes a separate branch from rawhide)
2025-02-03 16:18:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> bless you!
2025-02-03 16:18:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> was that a meaningful cough?
2025-02-03 16:19:14 <@farchord:fedora.im> Sorry. Didnt mean to crash the meeting. Have you heard anything about the GCC issues crashing the kde update?
2025-02-03 16:19:52 <@farchord:fedora.im> If 42 gets branched tomorrow, I _think_ that means that update is sunk?
2025-02-03 16:20:30 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't think so, i think pending updates carry over
2025-02-03 16:20:40 <@adamwill:fedora.im> this is partly why updates go by release number in bodhi, not branch
2025-02-03 16:20:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi kamil
2025-02-03 16:21:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> afaik we're waiting on upstreams there, and it's been determined to be a bug in gcc 15 itself
2025-02-03 16:21:05 <@farchord:fedora.im> Ah ok.
2025-02-03 16:21:17 <@adamwill:fedora.im> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=116506
2025-02-03 16:21:45 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> "Destructors of Temporary Awaitables" would be a solid band name
2025-02-03 16:21:57 <@farchord:fedora.im> Yeah I guess that means we can't build Plasma 6.3 for F42/rawhide if it's not done by friday...
2025-02-03 16:22:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> didn't they win Best Dark Metal Album for "Coredump" last night?
2025-02-03 16:23:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Steve Cossette [Farchord] i don't think so? well, after tomorrow rawhide and f42 will be separate things, so you'd have to build it for *both* if you want it in both, but afaik you can
2025-02-03 16:25:08 <@farchord:fedora.im> Oh well yeah I can, but the gcc bug will still rear it's ugly head XD
2025-02-03 16:25:14 <@farchord:fedora.im> But anyway. XD
2025-02-03 16:26:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, yeah. until that's fixed
2025-02-03 16:26:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> unless someone's found a workaround, some magic gcc arg, but i don't recall seeing one
2025-02-03 16:27:03 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhoo...gnome-shell 48 has landed, not sure when the rest of 48 is showing up
2025-02-03 16:27:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we're having some issues with the rename of tracker to tinysparql which have broken openqa and buildroot a few times - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12551
2025-02-03 16:28:00 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> pending updates are unpushed and need to be done again
2025-02-03 16:28:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, okay. so, that
2025-02-03 16:28:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> presumably they can just be re-pushed though?
2025-02-03 16:28:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> no
2025-02-03 16:29:13 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> at least, not without rebuilding everything in rawhide
2025-02-03 16:29:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, well that's a shame.
2025-02-03 16:29:48 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (a F42 side-tag update would end up being only submitted to F42, not Rawhide-is-now-F43)
2025-02-03 16:30:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> the mass branching SOP unpushes updates that are stuck at branching time to avoid situations like these 😅
2025-02-03 16:32:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for the correction
2025-02-03 16:32:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i feel like i had something else to note about f42 but darned if i can remember what
2025-02-03 16:32:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone else have f42 notes?
2025-02-03 16:34:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty then
2025-02-03 16:34:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2025-02-03 16:35:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info kernel 6.13 test week is ongoing: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/797 , https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/207
2025-02-03 16:35:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> please help test if you have time!
2025-02-03 16:35:51 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> The performance test doesn't work for me on a fully updated f42 system...
2025-02-03 16:36:13 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> "too many arguments" lat_rpc.c, function local
2025-02-03 16:36:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> GCC fallout I assume
2025-02-03 16:36:57 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I acknowledge that's technically a rawhide system I suppose
2025-02-03 16:38:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> still the same right now
2025-02-03 16:38:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> jforbes around? are you aware of this?
2025-02-03 16:39:06 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Also, the wiki page no longer has a link to a test image, but references it several times.
2025-02-03 16:39:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Sumantro Mukherjee didn't check in...i'll see if i can smooth that over in a bit
2025-02-03 16:39:53 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> People are clearly having success with F41, so I don't think any of this is a huge deal
2025-02-03 16:40:05 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Just stumbled across it as I'm sitting here
2025-02-03 16:40:40 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Yes, I am aware. livecd creator is borked ATM, so I didn't get the images done in time, planning to debug it today
2025-02-03 16:41:12 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Okay, so the references should stay. Good to know!
2025-02-03 16:41:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> jforbes we're still using livecd-creator for the image?! we should modernize that to lmc or kiwi
2025-02-03 16:41:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> is there some reference or something you're using for how to build it?
2025-02-03 16:42:36 <@jforbes:fedora.im> Yeah, I was. I had been doing it that way since we started and it hadn't been broken, so I didn't look into anything new
2025-02-03 16:43:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ah, well, fair enough
2025-02-03 16:43:09 <@jforbes:fedora.im> And since it is broken, I will be looking into alternatives today... But as of the 6.12 test week, it was still working
2025-02-03 16:43:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> what are the customizations actually needed for the image? just including a specific kernel build and some extra tools, or what?
2025-02-03 16:43:46 <@jforbes:fedora.im> a couple of extra tools and pointing to my repo so it picks up the new kernel
2025-02-03 16:43:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info jforbes is aware of issues with the performance test and the test image not being available yet, we're working on it
2025-02-03 16:44:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ok, that should be pretty easy to do
2025-02-03 16:44:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i'll try and help you out with it after the meeting
2025-02-03 16:44:54 <@jforbes:fedora.im> https://paste.centos.org/view/ee1700a8 That is the full kickstart I use, nothing fancy
2025-02-03 16:45:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> goddamn it my system keeps playing a mysterious notification beep with no associated notification and i have no damn clue what it's coming from
2025-02-03 16:45:30 <@jforbes:fedora.im> 0001-annoy-adamw-at-random.patch is doing it's job!
2025-02-03 16:45:31 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> The number of unsolicited notifications is *too damn high*
2025-02-03 16:45:59 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Must be a GCC thing
2025-02-03 16:46:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, also
2025-02-03 16:47:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info a test day for GNOME Software's dnf5 port is incoming - https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/798
2025-02-03 16:47:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> expect it next week or the week after
2025-02-03 16:47:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else on this topic?
2025-02-03 16:51:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty
2025-02-03 16:51:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-02-03 16:53:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else at all? LD
2025-02-03 16:53:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else at all? :D
2025-02-03 16:53:54 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Not from me
2025-02-03 16:54:10 <@derekenz:fedora.im> Nothing here
2025-02-03 16:56:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, thanks for coming, everyone!
2025-02-03 16:56:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting