2025-04-28 15:00:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2025-04-28 15:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-28 15:00:49 UTC
2025-04-28 15:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2025-04-28 15:00:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-04-28 15:01:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-28 15:01:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> who's around for quality meeting fun?
2025-04-28 15:01:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
2025-04-28 15:02:21 <@bittin:matrix.org> .hi bittin
2025-04-28 15:02:28 <@bittin:matrix.org> !hi bittin
2025-04-28 15:02:30 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Luna Jernberg (bittin) - they / them / theirs
2025-04-28 15:02:47 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-28 15:02:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2025-04-28 15:03:14 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-28 15:03:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Christopher Boni (boniboyblue)
2025-04-28 15:04:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> hi hi everyone
2025-04-28 15:04:29 <@adamwill:fedora.im> let's get rolling
2025-04-28 15:04:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2025-04-28 15:04:38 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> allo
2025-04-28 15:05:02 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> !hi
2025-04-28 15:05:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Lukáš Růžička (lruzicka)
2025-04-28 15:06:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to check in with anaconda team and co-ordinate plans for webui during f43 cycle" - I have checked in, the current state is that they attempt to run daily and report to the wiki, but it's a bit unsophisticated: they use a cronjob-equivalent, and use a URL template to find the thing to run against; switching between rawhide and branched has to be done manually. like openQA the system does not report failures, so results need to be checked directly in the test system web UI to see and investigate failures. I'll continue working with the anaconda team on ways to improve and organize this
2025-04-28 15:07:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else on that, or any other followup from last week?
2025-04-28 15:08:44 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Are these integration style tests, that use a tool to interact with the UI, or more unit style that fake a DOM and mock and backend?
2025-04-28 15:09:01 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Are these integration style tests, that use a tool to interact with the UI, or more unit style that fake a DOM and mock a backend?
2025-04-28 15:09:36 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I'm assuming we're interested in the former, like we have for traditional Anaconda
2025-04-28 15:09:50 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> just making sure - if there is just Rawhide, the tests should run jut on Rawhide - if there is both Rawhide and branches, then test should run on both I guess ?
2025-04-28 15:10:41 <@kparal:matrix.org> it would be really nice to make it run anaconda tests together with our own tests, at least for RCs. Otherwise we simply don't know which tests will be covered by automation and spend time to test cases which will get populated some time in the next 24h.
2025-04-28 15:11:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen they're integration style tests
2025-04-28 15:11:16 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen: its using the Cockpit test tooling, which can do a lot of things - both working with the DOM, clicking on things and even do pixel tests
2025-04-28 15:11:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ideally yes
2025-04-28 15:11:53 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> OK
2025-04-28 15:12:00 <@adamwill:fedora.im> but the minimum needed for release validation is to always run on the next release: branched when it exists, rawhide when branched doesn't exist
2025-04-28 15:12:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> running on rawhide when branched doesn't exist is not *required*
2025-04-28 15:12:21 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> that makes sense
2025-04-28 15:12:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> running on rawhide when branched exists is not *required*
2025-04-28 15:13:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, and yes, the current implementation doesn't handle candidates automatically, which is a significant issue
2025-04-28 15:13:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for noting that kparal
2025-04-28 15:14:13 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info kparal notes issues with candidate composes. the current automatic scheduler for the anaconda system does not handle candidate composes at all; even if we fix that, timer-based triggering is a poor fit with candidates where we want the results ASAP
2025-04-28 15:14:36 <@adamwill:fedora.im> mkolman we should probably have tickets to track the main issues here. where should we put those?
2025-04-28 15:16:01 <@bittin:matrix.org> Anaconda Github Issues?
2025-04-28 15:17:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the main anaconda repo doesn't have issues enabled, you're meant to file bugzilla bugs
2025-04-28 15:18:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> bugzilla feels a slightly odd venue for this, but meh
2025-04-28 15:18:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i can figure that out with the team async
2025-04-28 15:18:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !action adamw to work with anaconda team on tracking the minimum requirements to make this viable for f43 validation
2025-04-28 15:18:48 <@bittin:matrix.org> ah i see i confused with dnf5 sorry
2025-04-28 15:19:33 <@bittin:matrix.org> https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda-webui/discussions but yeah maybe there is a better place
2025-04-28 15:20:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, the webui repo has tickets enabled. i guess this testing is webui-specific so we *could* do it there.
2025-04-28 15:20:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyhoo!
2025-04-28 15:20:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 43 status
2025-04-28 15:20:33 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i don't really have anything specific, but it's always good to follow tradition
2025-04-28 15:20:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anyone got any notes on f43?
2025-04-28 15:20:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> 6.15 kernel series has been a bit rough on my laptop so far...
2025-04-28 15:21:46 <@bittin:matrix.org> tested the 2 latest Workstation candidates and not had any problems so far
2025-04-28 15:23:17 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> The latest nominated compose worked decently on my (ancient) laptop, haven't tried it on anything else yet.
2025-04-28 15:23:36 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Can't imagine there's much churn in any of the hardware support for something still branded "Compaq".
2025-04-28 15:23:59 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> adamw: yeah, Bugzilla is the best bet :P
2025-04-28 15:26:11 <@m4rtink:fedora.im> https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda-webui/issues does seems to be enabled - but there are no issues :)
2025-04-28 15:27:02 <@adamwill:fedora.im> huh, that's weird, i thought we'd used it before.
2025-04-28 15:28:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, well
2025-04-28 15:28:39 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2025-04-28 15:29:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> doesn't look like there's anything coming up
2025-04-28 15:29:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info kernel 6.14 test week happened - https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/216 . thanks to everyone who tested!
2025-04-28 15:32:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> that's about all i got
2025-04-28 15:32:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-04-28 15:32:59 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business?
2025-04-28 15:33:26 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so I do have one thing for this!
2025-04-28 15:33:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> we have a new testdays app in testing (exciting, i know): https://testdays.stg.fedoraproject.org/
2025-04-28 15:33:54 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Oooh!
2025-04-28 15:34:07 <@bittin:matrix.org> its still early in the 43 cycle
2025-04-28 15:34:25 <@bittin:matrix.org> oh
2025-04-28 15:34:44 <@kparal:matrix.org> disclaimer: FAS login is not enabled yet, just Google login
2025-04-28 15:34:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> please play around with it and see if you find any problems
2025-04-28 15:34:48 <@kparal:matrix.org> but you can play around
2025-04-28 15:34:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i just did fas login. it worked
2025-04-28 15:35:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> it's through staging FAS though, so you might have to do something like use an old password or leave out your OTP
2025-04-28 15:35:23 <@kparal:matrix.org> interesting!
2025-04-28 15:35:36 <@kparal:matrix.org> also, please report all issues here: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/testdays-web/issues
2025-04-28 15:35:41 <@adamwill:fedora.im> click "Login", then "Login via OIDC"
2025-04-28 15:36:10 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info new version of the testdays webapp is in testing at https://testdays.stg.fedoraproject.org/ . please try it out and report any problems you find to https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/testdays-web/issues
2025-04-28 15:36:12 <@kparal:matrix.org> you can also submit anonymous results, without login
2025-04-28 15:38:24 <@adamwill:fedora.im> any other business?
2025-04-28 15:38:58 <@kparal:matrix.org> nope
2025-04-28 15:39:05 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Not from me
2025-04-28 15:39:11 <@lruzicka:matrix.org> not so far
2025-04-28 15:39:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> allllllrighty. thanks for coming out, folks
2025-04-28 15:40:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting