2026-02-16 16:00:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !startmeeting Quality
2026-02-16 16:00:49 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2026-02-16 16:00:48 UTC
2026-02-16 16:00:50 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Quality'
2026-02-16 16:00:53 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2026-02-16 16:00:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 16:00:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Williamson (adamwill) - he / him / his
2026-02-16 16:01:19 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 16:01:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Christopher Boni (boniboyblue)
2026-02-16 16:01:23 <@psklenar:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 16:01:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Petr Sklenar (psklenar)
2026-02-16 16:01:56 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 16:01:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Brandon Nielsen (nielsenb)
2026-02-16 16:03:01 <@kparal:matrix.org> !hi
2026-02-16 16:03:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kamil Páral (kparal) - he / him / his
2026-02-16 16:03:05 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 16:03:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kashyap Chamarthy (kashyapc)
2026-02-16 16:03:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> wow, full house
2026-02-16 16:03:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> should've rented the big hall
2026-02-16 16:03:59 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> adamw: How are you going to honor this full house? :D
2026-02-16 16:04:54 <@kparal:matrix.org> Not full, I don't see Lukas, he's probably playing some music instrument somewhere 🙂 
2026-02-16 16:05:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> with a dull meeting where i drone on endlessly, of course!
2026-02-16 16:05:22 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how else
2026-02-16 16:05:27 <@kparal:matrix.org> Jaroslav is on vacation btw
2026-02-16 16:05:37 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Well, I could be playing an instrument too.  So next time that will be my excuse.  I see you, Lukas!
2026-02-16 16:05:44 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Previous meeting follow-up
2026-02-16 16:06:49 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> !hi
2026-02-16 16:06:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Lukáš Růžička (lruzicka)
2026-02-16 16:06:56 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info "adamw to check the amoloney responsibility list and poke someone to do the posts to bugzilla requesting updated status on change bugs", "adamw to also check with Allison about processing recently-accepted Changes" - I did both of those and the change process is moving along, though it's a bit bumpy. it's clear that the process documentation isn't really enough and we benefit a lot from having a full-time wrangler who's always available for fesco to poke
2026-02-16 16:07:14 <@adamwill:fedora.im> anything else to follow up on?
2026-02-16 16:08:03 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I was not playing anything. I was trying to get a backtrace using `coredumpctl` and somehow forgot to track time.
2026-02-16 16:08:55 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> "On the internet, nobody knows if you're playing an instrument or getting coredumps" :D
2026-02-16 16:09:30 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Sure, sure. Getting coredumps is also playing an instrument, so that counts. And vice-versa.
2026-02-16 16:11:27 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Looks like not much at this moment?
2026-02-16 16:11:34 <@adamwill:fedora.im> indeed
2026-02-16 16:12:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Fedora 44 status
2026-02-16 16:12:32 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info GNOME 50 and KDE/Plasma 6.6 have both landed in F44 now
2026-02-16 16:12:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> please be on the lookout for significant issues with both, and propose blockers if appropriate
2026-02-16 16:13:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info it looks like the kmscon Change is going to be delayed to f45 at least per some chat at the end of last week
2026-02-16 16:14:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the kiwi thing i got reverted?
2026-02-16 16:14:27 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i can re-test, i guess
2026-02-16 16:14:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I thought so, but perhaps I am wrong
2026-02-16 16:14:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, last build was 3 days ago
2026-02-16 16:14:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or was thinking of the kmscon thing
2026-02-16 16:15:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, there's a 44.21 tagged in git but not built yet it looks like
2026-02-16 16:15:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> and that has the fix in it
2026-02-16 16:15:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, it was reverted by you... ;) 1352186134b203ee2ed07728e2e246761005c891
2026-02-16 16:15:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, i sent it as a PR, conan merged it
2026-02-16 16:16:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> fair. anyhow...
2026-02-16 16:16:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> welp, when 44.21 shows up i can re-test, or you can just un-un-revert and i will come and yell at somebody if the tests fail again
2026-02-16 16:17:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> welp, when 44.21 shows up i can re-test, or you can just un-revert and i will come and yell at somebody if the tests fail again
2026-02-16 16:17:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> what all else is going on with f44? i've rather lost track of the big picture as i've been fighting a zillion flakes in openqa
2026-02-16 16:19:18 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I haven't had much time to play with it, real life keeps getting in the way
2026-02-16 16:20:33 <@kparal:matrix.org> I've reported a few annoying issues, but no blocker. Also I'm debugging a random delay in starting apps during Live boot. Seems to be a race related to desktop portal service, but not sure yet.
2026-02-16 16:20:48 <@psklenar:fedora.im> During last week's GNOME 50 testing on Fedora 44, users reported a significant number of bugs, also blockers
2026-02-16 16:20:56 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I am running it. There are occassional crashes in gnom-shell, this has been reported and is registered for a BB discussion.
2026-02-16 16:21:46 <@kparal:matrix.org> Actually, has someone scoured through the reports and proposed blockers if appropriate? That might be a good idea
2026-02-16 16:21:51 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, i've seen the 'portal fails to start on first try' thing
2026-02-16 16:22:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, that's always a good thing, check if any filed bugs look like beta or final blockers
2026-02-16 16:22:20 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> I've rebased to 44 and only bug I'm getting is the Backgrounds App disapeared from GNOME's quick settings.
2026-02-16 16:22:21 <@adamwill:fedora.im> Kamil Páral i assume you showed petr and jaroslav the release criteria?
2026-02-16 16:22:33 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> I went through the proposals in the morning, I did not see anything too bad in it.
2026-02-16 16:22:49 <@kparal:matrix.org> ok, thanks Lukas
2026-02-16 16:23:00 <@kparal:matrix.org> Petr Sklenar: have I shown you the criteria?
2026-02-16 16:23:20 <@psklenar:fedora.im> Kamil Páral: yes, I have a picture about that ... ; 
2026-02-16 16:23:28 <@kparal:matrix.org> you'll get a hands-on experience tonight anyway 😄 
2026-02-16 16:23:52 <@kparal:matrix.org> you don't need to remember them, just have a vague idea what's inside, so that you know when and where to look up the details
2026-02-16 16:25:23 <@psklenar:fedora.im> Kamil Páral: I can review the issues reported on gnome's gitLab and  report them to bugzilla if its possible blocker.
2026-02-16 16:25:37 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info folks are doing lots of testing on the f44 stacks now and we have blocker review coming up after the meeting
2026-02-16 16:26:27 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> This picture?
2026-02-16 16:26:49 <@kparal:matrix.org> if you find something concerning, just ping me and I'll tell you whether it's worth the time. If it is, we usually just create a bug in bugzilla saying "upstream bug here: link". It's for blocker tracking purposes only, no need to copy the details or anything.
2026-02-16 16:29:38 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Test Day / community event status
2026-02-16 16:30:05 <@adamwill:fedora.im> so, we had a pretty packed schedule recently
2026-02-16 16:31:06 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info GNOME 50 test days https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-11_GNOME_50_Desktop , KDE Plasma 6.6 test days https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-02_KDE_Plasma_6.6 and grub OOM test days 2: electric boogaloo https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-09_GRUB_out_of_memory_fix_verification_part_2 all wrapped up recently, thanks to all testers
2026-02-16 16:31:58 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info there was solid turnout for GNOME and KDE test days and various issues encountered, we will go through the results and try to make sure significant bugs are properly reported and get addressed (and propose as F44 blockers if appropriate)
2026-02-16 16:34:45 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !info looks like we have a kernel 6.19 test week coming up Feb 22-28: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/quality/tickets/issues/878 and podman 5.8 test days coming up Feb 27-Mar 6: https://forge.fedoraproject.org/quality/tickets/issues/877
2026-02-16 16:35:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> are those moving forward smoothly? i don't see events in the app yet
2026-02-16 16:36:04 <@psklenar:fedora.im> I just created wiki today, testcases are in drafts: https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/
2026-02-16 16:36:05 <@kparal:matrix.org> adamw: log in to see drafts
2026-02-16 16:36:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh right
2026-02-16 16:36:38 <@kparal:matrix.org> we might want to make drafts public, but that's a future feature. For the moment, they are private
2026-02-16 16:36:44 <@psklenar:fedora.im> kernel is in review by kernel devs; podman need to be updated with a few new testcases
2026-02-16 16:36:56 <@kparal:matrix.org> we also had this one, but with very low attendance unfortunately: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2026-02-09_GRUB_out_of_memory_fix_verification_part_2
2026-02-16 16:37:47 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i never got around to it with all the openqa fires :(
2026-02-16 16:38:33 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> I didn't have access to hardware I could install to at the time
2026-02-16 16:38:49 <@adamwill:fedora.im> everyone else get your excuses in now
2026-02-16 16:41:00 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> I missed this one.
2026-02-16 16:42:18 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Dog ate my USB key
2026-02-16 16:43:03 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> My cat peed onto the only computer which I could have used. Now, it is drying out in the bag of rice.
2026-02-16 16:43:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> excellent excuses, 10/10, no notes
2026-02-16 16:43:59 <@kparal:matrix.org> I didn't want to break it, you told me to play games instead yourselves
2026-02-16 16:44:42 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2026-02-16 16:44:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty folks, anything else before we get to blocker review?
2026-02-16 16:45:54 <@kashyapc:fedora.im> Just go for it
2026-02-16 16:45:56 <@boniboyblue:fedora.im> Nothing from me.
2026-02-16 16:48:33 <@lruzicka:fedora.im> Nothing else matters.
2026-02-16 16:48:53 <@nielsenb:fedora.im> Not from me
2026-02-16 16:50:01 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, see you all in #blocker-review:fedoraproject.org in 10 minuts
2026-02-16 16:50:04 <@adamwill:fedora.im> alrighty, see you all in #blocker-review:fedoraproject.org in 10 minutes
2026-02-16 16:50:07 <@adamwill:fedora.im> thanks for coming, folks!
2026-02-16 16:50:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> !endmeeting