17:53:03 #startmeeting 17:53:03 Meeting started Tue Sep 28 17:53:03 2010 UTC. The chair is quaid. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:53:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:53:10 #meetingname random 17:53:10 The meeting name has been set to 'random' 17:53:19 #meetingname random Fedora Summer Contributing 17:53:19 The meeting name has been set to 'random_fedora_summer_contributing' 17:53:22 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Students_Contributing_2010-2011_schedule 17:53:38 ok that's the schedule the awesome zoglesby and I did last week, all draft and unvetted 17:53:42 but pretty close 17:53:44 as you can see, RUSH 17:55:04 and the idea here is that this is for students who aer on summer break starting in Novemberish? 17:55:21 Or can this be students who are currently full-time in the states? 17:55:31 not to butt in or anything ;) 17:57:53 butt away, billy goat gruff 17:57:57 nanny goat? 17:58:00 I forget the storry, sorry 17:58:06 s/billy/nanny/g 17:58:10 any moving on ... 17:58:11 one of those :) 17:58:30 no, I'm sure it's not billy :) 17:58:47 * rbergeron is drawing a blank and is ready to bust out her mother goose book 17:58:54 can't... remember.... 17:59:02 the meta idea is, within a 6 month window we have a time frame that can accomodate most of the world's weird school schedules. 17:59:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Billy_Goats_Gruff 17:59:45 this last "summer" we had one student who started at the mid-term of the others 17:59:47 *whew* 17:59:49 right 17:59:59 theoretically, we could do that 18:00:17 takes more time to manage disparate schedules though, especially as they increase in number 18:00:21 for Google, who are running a multi-million dollar program with hundreds of projects who have thousand++ students ... 18:00:31 well, if we get to that point we make changes? 18:00:43 right; it's a nice problem we might hope to have :) 18:00:53 right now, I want to go from $15K in funding to $30K, so we double the students 18:01:08 those sponsors should be experimenting, IMO 18:01:20 taking $5K and seeing what happens; throwing in some time to market, organize, etc. 18:01:29 sending some engineers with ideas to the pool, see what happens. 18:01:45 hopefully one gets a good enough experience to double-down next summer, or even a bit better :) 18:02:04 let me ask this (sorry if this is redundant or not applicable to what you were wanting to discuss): are most of these students people who participate in Fedora and we're wanting to give them a Fedora opportunity, or are these students maybe not familiar with Fedora who are maybe looking for an alternate to gsoc? 18:02:17 #action quaid needs to follow up with RHT partner marketing to see how the sponsor requests for FSC went 18:02:26 rbergeron: both 18:02:30 IMO, we need a mix 18:02:35 some people are more purist 18:02:55 but I've seen that a mix seems to help; the students mentor each other, remember -- having some who are already Fedora contributors helps everybody 18:03:18 in fact, I can say that after myself, the most work done for FSC 2010 in general was by one of the students 18:03:33 who, of course, was an existing contributing :) 18:03:46 Not that this solves your problems - but I think having a session on that at FUDCon would be really interesting - we'll be there in late January, right when some students are starting to think about what they'd like to do in the summer, etc - would be a great place to market the program in more of an in-person fashion. 18:03:48 s/contributing/oh you know what I meant/ 18:03:56 of course I do :) 18:05:01 For the time being, though, with the incoming schedule - 18:05:50 I think it could be an interesting investment if we have ambassadors or other contributors on those particular areas that are going into summer break or whatever - 18:06:38 could actually go and talk *in person* to groups of students at X number of schools 18:06:48 I think it's knid of a chicken and the egg thing, obviously, when it comes to sponsors 18:07:42 * rbergeron is not sure she's helping at all :) 18:24:21 quaid: sounds to me like you're running into the difference between an experiment and a prototype, which we talked about before. 18:37:17 mchua: yes, and here's the thing 18:37:22 I presumed we were in prototype 18:37:25 but it's a mix 18:37:36 the model is not prototype, but our implementation is a bit experimental :) 18:37:39 +1 18:37:42 * mchua will bbiab 18:37:44 rbergeron: I got ACL for fedora-bookmarkks, i'll fire off a build after my midterms 18:37:57 rrix: i will pack the cookies in the car :D 18:37:59 * quaid is in another meeting and just had his table invaded by 8 to 10 year olds having snackles 18:38:57 I'll close our meeting here in a few minutes if jsmith-busy and rbergeron are done for now. 18:39:26 * rbergeron is done - was just piping in :) 18:39:31 * jsmith-busy got sidetracked by another meeting, sorry :-( 19:22:34 rbergeron: Note for today's meeting -- I got one of my 2 action items done, the one for fixing the Marketing schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-marketing-tasks.html 19:23:06 The other was to help blast out info about the one-page release notes by doing some dents/tweets pointing to a blog entry about them 19:23:32 * stickster is behind on Planet and will check to see if that's out ther 19:23:34 *there, even 19:24:11 yes - I was supposed to blog on that but haven't got there - managed to get the beta announcement done though, whew 19:27:50 * rbergeron is slowly catching up on her pile o stuff :) 19:39:46 rbergeron: Nice work on the announcement, by the way! 19:40:10 * stickster realizes that he was barely involved with the Beta other than some "connect the wires/people" work 19:40:17 It's a very strange feeling 19:50:45 lol 19:50:47 :) 19:58:27 Marketing meeing in 2 minutes in #fedora-meeting-1, folks :) 23:58:57 rbergeron: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2495568 incoming 00:00:02 rrix: i am going to upgrade u to rollercoaster 00:00:18 whee~ 00:03:09 zomgwtfbodhi 00:04:31 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/fedora-bookmarks-14-1?_csrf_token=3fb8b8cde21e38a20ba6475adf5d1380038c230e 00:04:35 Fucking csrfs 00:04:37 freaking* 00:04:42 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/fedora-bookmarks-14-1 01:08:41 OMG, my ears 01:08:43 :) 04:47:13 la la la 17:26:42 rbergeron: if it's still convenient for you, I've got time to chat whenever you like 17:28:44 winbalance 17:28:46 damn 00:10:38 hello 00:10:51 hi ;) 00:11:45 sir tell me how to make printout from my hp usb printer 00:13:01 vikas: this is the marketing channel. the best place you can go for finding help with that would be #fedora 00:43:05 rbergeron: Hey, can you ping me tomorrow and remind me about the Insight meeting? I've got the meeting on my calendar but that's been failing me here recently. 00:58:43 sparks: will do :) 00:59:00 rbergeron: Thank you! I don't want to miss the excitement! 00:59:06 rbergeron: And how are you doing tonight? 01:04:28 just lovely, thank you :) and how are you? 01:43:18 mchua: In case this got lost in the scrollback: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-September/msg00090.html looks similar to stuff you've been doing 02:37:06 rbergeron: :) 13:26:08 mether, are you there? 13:26:37 helen_au, yes 13:27:03 mether, I'm writing an article about the community track at the conference 13:27:10 and mentioning your talk 13:27:19 would you have a minute to chat about it? 13:27:38 are you talking about opensuse? 13:27:44 oh yes, sorry! 13:28:00 well then I wasn't able to attend that 13:28:12 so not sure there is a point to talk about it 13:28:27 oh that's a great pity 13:28:34 you're still on the program 13:28:44 can you let them know 13:28:46 lucky I asked then! 13:28:54 i thought i had mailed them 13:28:57 to inform this 13:29:03 but maybe we lost that 13:29:06 it might be better coming from you personally, why not pop over to opensuse-marketing 13:29:13 jos is there 13:29:26 darn your talk sounded really interesting 13:29:51 I liked the 'learning from each other' part 13:30:03 i just realized that i wont be able to get the paper work done in time 13:30:05 maybe another time 13:30:33 sure. Perhaps we could do an interview about it sometime. 13:30:48 do let jos know 13:31:04 ok. 13:31:07 bye! 13:31:15 bye and sorry for the disappointment 13:31:19 :) 17:49:48 stickster: Where is the Insight meeting to be held? 17:50:40 Sparks: We seem to have vacillated between #fedora-meeting and #fedora-mktg, but that's my fault 17:50:49 We're *supposed* to be in #fedora-meeting in 10 minutes. 17:53:31 stickster: Okay... 17:53:39 #fedora-meeting in 10 minutes 17:55:15 hiemanshu is supposed to present his theme work, but I haven't seen any new pushes from him 18:00:08 pcalarco: hiemanshu: rbergeron: *: Insight meeting in #fedora-meeting now! 12:36:40 * stickster waits for pcalarco 12:36:56 $c 12:37:00 oops, wrong window :-) 12:38:09 so one thing I found whyile looking through the Views documentation is that they keep the current docs in the Advanced Help module, which I am not sure if we have installed 12:39:02 pcalarco: We can add that to our requirements and list of customizations 12:39:07 great 12:39:10 ISTR that as well 12:39:18 Also adds to the "needs packaging" list 12:39:25 yes 12:39:48 pcalarco: Can you make appropriate changes here? 12:39:49 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Insight_customizations_to_Drupal 12:40:01 yes, I'll do that 12:40:42 pcalarco: I hate to do this, but can you give me about 5-7 minutes? Domestic emergency calls 12:41:01 sure, np 12:41:04 brb 12:47:23 back 12:47:37 okay 12:47:43 pcalarco: Let me go fetch that module and install 12:47:55 stickster: great 12:47:57 http://drupal.org/project/advanced_help 12:49:51 pcalarco: Should be enabled now 12:50:30 stickster: great, okay 12:50:52 stickster: the other thing I need is admin access so I can see the Views module 12:51:12 pcalarco: Did you apply in FakeFAS for the cmsadmin group? 12:51:28 That's how CMS access works -- rather than manage through Drupal it gets managed through FAS like everything else 12:51:31 stickster: no, let me do that, one sec 12:51:34 k 12:51:39 pcalarco: Actually, I can just add you 12:51:40 hang on 12:53:00 pcalarco: You may need to be in cla_done 12:54:06 * stickster takes care of that first 12:54:20 pcalarco: OK, log out of drupal and back in 12:54:25 stickster: I am a member of cmseditors, so may already have cmsdone 12:55:10 * stickster reset the administration theme for now since the Fedora theme is very hard to read 12:55:40 pcalarco: Did you log out and log back in? 12:56:45 stickster: yes, looking at the admin screen now and trying to find where Views config is buried :) 12:57:17 pcalarco: Site building / Views 12:58:15 stickster: my menus shows under site building: blocks, flexifilters, menus, modules, themes, translate interface 12:58:40 Aha, fixing 12:59:04 pcalarco: Try again 13:00:02 stickster: should it be under site building? its still not there 13:00:20 pcalarco: Try Ctrl+Shift+R to forcibly reload browser? 13:01:57 stickster: sorry, still not there; I do see views is enabled on the modules page 13:02:10 pcalarco: OK, give me two shakes, and I'll look at something else 13:02:58 stickster: okies 13:03:41 pcalarco: Sorry, I'm an idiot, fixingnow 13:03:54 stickster: no worries, thanks! 13:03:58 Try again 13:04:17 stickster: presto! thx 13:05:00 stickster: okay, what popped out at me most was to creat a new view based on filters of the fields we have for content 13:05:26 pcalarco: Yeah -- I was wondering whether we need something to discriminate between issues of FWN 13:05:47 I worry about whether we should abuse taxonomy for that 13:06:05 This might be one of those cases for cck 13:06:52 stickster: the trouble with this is that the value is always going to be changing with the issue number 13:07:40 stickster: so that might not be the best way 13:07:41 pcalarco: Precisely -- we want to do something where the view will show just that issue number of FWN with the beats in weighted order 13:08:56 stickster: right 13:10:19 * stickster will have jsmith-away here at his house in a little while, maybe we can ask him to give us some insight :-) 13:10:23 insight into Insight :-) 13:11:50 pcalarco: I'm looking at the Views > Add right now to see what I can figure out here 13:11:53 stickster: perhaps I will work through the "Getting Started" examples in the docs; they show how to create simple views 13:11:59 pcalarco: OK, that would be cool 13:12:12 pcalarco: Do you use anything currently to identify one issue of FWN from another? 13:12:26 * stickster wondering whether we need to have a custom field for issue number that would be useful when building the view 13:13:39 pcalarco: I might appear to go afk for 30-60 seconds -- switching systems here 13:14:02 stickster: custom field, yes, good idea 13:14:41 stickster: we were going to distinguish these in each beat in the title, eg. FWN 245: Announcements 13:15:01 stickster: but this could be another field for the beat as well 13:16:32 pcalarco: Back, sorry about that 13:17:00 pcalarco: We might be able to use CCK to make a customization based on a Story, and add two fields: Issue # and Beat 13:17:16 stickster: yes 13:17:27 The Issue # would be required to be an integer, and Beat would be something we could do with a dropdown so each would automatically receive a weight based on what it was 13:17:40 That way there are fewer ways that things can get messed up 13:18:45 stickster: another way might simply be to use tags for aggregating books together? 13:19:07 pcalarco: Yes, but I bet it would be very easy for those to have slew over time 13:19:16 i.e. 'FWN260' vs. 'FWN 260' 13:19:21 'FWN 260' vs. 'fwn 260' 13:19:22 etc. 13:19:54 I think it's best if we can programmatically enforce some sanity -- it helps you and other editors not have to spend time worrying about whether you're formatting something right, etc. 13:20:07 stickster: good point' 13:21:07 * stickster pulls down cck, 13:23:34 ...and adds it 13:24:21 stickster: reading up on CCK now 13:24:45 pcalarco: In the module screen, where you can turn on different CCK features, I saw about three things immediately that are going to be super-useful. 13:25:31 stickster: okay, so essentially we can create a custom book and call it FWN with custom fields that will allow us to distinguish issues from one another 13:25:54 pcalarco: And also a custom story which is an FWN beat 13:27:02 stickster: okay I see the fwnbeat that you created 13:28:28 stickster: so we could add a new field to that called FWN issue, with an integer value 13:28:43 pcalarco: I think I did that -- check it out 13:30:01 pcalarco: also I think I just created a drop down field for Beat 13:30:11 stickster: yes, good idea 13:30:19 Look at the 'manage fields' and configure it -- you may want to add some more beat names 13:30:23 I don't know them all by heart 13:30:45 pcalarco: I'm going to remove "title" from the displayed fields -- it's not useful if we have a beat name 13:31:14 stickster: agreed 13:33:11 stickster: updated this with all the current and irregular beats we have 13:33:19 Cool 13:33:30 * stickster looking at how to require these to be entered 13:35:50 pcalarco: I'm trying to figure out how to make the title field hidden, and then compute it from the beat + issue number 13:37:23 pcalarco: http://drupal.org/project/computed_field 13:37:32 stickster: its also not obvious how to add these to the submission fields section in the content type 13:37:47 pcalarco: Try creating a new beat now 13:38:42 pcalarco: It also looks like I can use an API hook to compute the title for these nodes 13:39:12 stickster: what value do I put in for Title field? 13:39:43 stickster: I don't see the two new fields on the submission form 13:39:51 pcalarco: That's what I'm getting at -- I want to make it so that field, although it's required, is hidden and gets automatically filled in with "FWN - " 13:40:05 pcalarco: You're editing a current node, or creating a new one? 13:41:19 stickster: from the Create Content -> Weekly News Beat page 13:41:34 * stickster goes there to see what pcalarco is seeing 13:41:55 I see issue and beat at the top of the form 13:42:16 pcalarco: OK, I'm a fifth grader, what should I be looking for? 13:42:17 :-D 13:42:47 stickster: I see menu item drop down and then a textarea for body 13:43:23 pcalarco: You don't see issue and beat number at top? 13:43:41 stickster: no 13:43:53 AHA! 13:43:54 Sorry 13:43:55 http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/add/fwnbeat 13:44:30 pcalarco: Found it -- try again 13:44:31 stickster: sweet, its there now! 13:44:34 awesome 13:44:56 pcalarco: I know how to make the title compute, but it's going to take me some time to write the PHP code 13:45:07 pcalarco: And we'll need to have that as a kind of "fedora-insight-hooks" module 13:45:53 stickster: Title field is still required on the submission form too 13:46:03 created a simple beat: http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/20 13:46:18 pcalarco: Yeah, I want to fix that 13:47:18 that's pretty powerful though 13:48:39 access denied! You are not authorized to access this page 13:49:16 rbergeron: You can't read it? 13:49:33 I think because it is unpublished right now 13:49:41 it says access denied - and i'm not logged in 13:50:21 see now: http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/20 13:50:28 rbergeron: Try again 13:50:32 oh yes, that works 13:50:55 rbergeron: the book was unpublished, once its published then ppl can view it 13:50:59 is the white box set to be fixed width to the width of the text? 13:51:00 ah. 13:51:10 * rbergeron is just here to be a fabulous tester if nothing else :) 13:51:18 rbergeron: We're not worried about appearances with this stuff 13:51:21 That will need to be themed 13:51:28 hiemanshu is supposed to push his latest stuff today 13:51:29 okeedokee. 13:52:05 we made great headway so far! :) 13:52:15 Guys, give me a minute, need to talk to jsmith f2f for a min 13:52:48 * rbergeron drove down to phoenix last night to look at houses and drop steve off for hunting, then got up at crack o dawn to take kids back up north for a half day of school and discovered she has 2 sick kids and one has lost her voice....... so i'm all awake for nothing and apparently just going to spend hte weekend here 13:53:35 rbergeron: ugh, two sick little ones at once? not easy; ours are 6 and 7 here 13:54:11 yeah, 6 and 8 13:54:34 rbergeron: Sorry to hear that :-( 13:54:39 * rbergeron is on the patio at the in-laws and can hear the marching band warming up for practice and is now having flashbacks 13:54:39 jsmith: O noez 13:54:56 rbergeron: so we worked on a new content type just for FWN beats: http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/node/add/fwnbeat 13:55:18 rbergeron: My son just started playing the sax... wants to be in the marching band like his mother was 13:55:24 (We didn't have marching bands in Wyoming) 13:55:51 rbergeron: stickster figured out how to add two custom fields using this module Content Construcction Kit (CCK) 13:56:10 CCK is awesome and powerful, but can get you into trouble if you're not careful. 13:56:15 jsmith: Oh, I payed alto in HS, that was great 13:56:29 marching band is awesome for kids. well, teenagers, i suppose 13:56:39 jsmith: my HS didn't have a marching band either 13:57:14 * rbergeron played the piccolo because oboes didn't really do well on the field :) then i figured out drum major was the best thing to be :) 13:57:32 rbergeron: :) 13:57:41 OK, back f'real 13:57:50 I will need to bail at about 10:15 to do some stuff w/Jared 13:57:56 His afternoon is pretty full 13:58:01 stickster, sure, NP 13:58:05 And we are supposed to work on making the Live USBs for press review for F14 13:58:15 But... in the meantime pcalarco, did you want to tour flexifilter? 13:58:18 stickster: any other tasks I can work on this AM? 13:58:27 pcalarco: I can kind of walk you through it 13:58:29 stickster< oh, yes., let's 13:59:04 is at http://publictest4.fedoraproject.org/drupal/admin/build/flexifilters 13:59:11 pcalarco: OK, it's under Site building > Flexifilters 13:59:26 pcalarco: You're kind of familiar with drupal but not everyone is, so I may be a little pedantic 13:59:51 Flexifilters is a way of implementing a filter 14:00:19 Drupal already has several filters built-in, like a "safe HTML" filter 14:00:47 That allows people to use some HTML tags in their content they post, without creating a security risk for viewers (like some jerk putting an exploit in the middle of his post) 14:01:14 When you write content, you choose an *input format* for the content -- which is different than a filter. 14:01:24 An input format is any combination of zero or more filters 14:01:58 So you might have an input format that (1) adds a bit of content before and after the stuff entered by the writer, and then (2) makes it HTML safe, stripping unwanted tags/elements. 14:02:52 A *flexifilter* (which is a module we've added to our Drupal instance) lets you be really creative with filters -- prepending, replacing, appending text; or doing other interesting things before the content is seen by the user 14:03:32 There is a sample flexifilter that came with the module, for importing mediawiki text. It's pretty barebones but it turns things like this: 14:03:40 [[A link|my text]] 14:03:41 into this: 14:03:59 my text 14:04:06 pcalarco: Good so far? 14:04:13 stickster: yup 14:04:18 *: Any questions accepted from the peanut gallery too :-) 14:05:10 So what I've done, pcalarco (& co.), is to create a Flexifilter based on the sample Mediawiki filter for our Fedora Mediawiki. it adds some of the following: 14:05:18 * Uses our URL for link references (duh) 14:05:38 * Changes stuff into footnotes (relying on the Drupal footnotes module to finish the rendering) 14:06:33 stickster: I see the chunk for but what's the chunk for? 14:06:55 pcalarco: Are you talking about the outermost chunk? 14:07:02 stickster: yes 14:07:36 That ensures that the start and end of the content node are interpreted as Mediawiki text, and not nowiki stuff 14:07:55 pcalarco: Notice it puts a *closing* tag at the beginning, and an *opening* tag at the end 14:08:18 Anything here is no longer "nowiki" stuff 14:08:34 stickster: okay 14:08:51 That actually came as part of the original filter. 14:09:47 pcalarco: This interface for adding chunk handling is *really* obnoxious and not fun to work in 14:09:57 stickster: so the only chunk added was the ; the others were part of the Mediawiki format conversion? 14:10:01 pcalarco: There's a way to actually write filters as PHP and import them 14:10:16 pcalarco: I also added handling for more headings 14:11:07 sticker: so all of those arein the PHP code referenced at the bottom of the Fedora wiki content page? 14:11:10 pcalarco: and handling for anchors 14:11:27 Are you looking at that "Add component" control? 14:11:37 stickster: yes 14:11:46 pcalarco: No - that's a way to add a new piece to the flexifilter 14:11:55 pcalarco: If you want to see how the PHP'ish stuff looks, here's where to find it 14:12:06 Go to the top tabs and click export 14:12:30 You'll see two boxes appear -- one is a serialization (JSON-like) interpretation of the resulting Flexifilter code 14:12:34 The second is the PHP equivalent 14:12:52 You'll notice neither is particularly fun, but the PHP is a little more readable at least 14:13:20 stickster: okay thx, yes agreed 14:13:23 The reason the Flexifilter interface is so obnoxious is that it isn't AJAXy. You have to save each piece, then re-navigate to the same place, than add another piece and save, then re-navigate..... 14:13:27 UGH :-P 14:13:38 It's HORRIBLE. 14:13:58 pcalarco: Questions about Flexifilter? 14:14:32 stickster: so you had to write both of these, or was the PHP derived from the serialized code? 14:15:17 pcalarco: No, I used the point and click interface to work with the filter editing 14:15:27 The PHP and serialized code are the same thing, just expressed in different formats 14:15:35 stickster: ah, okay, well that is better :) 14:16:00 stickster: okay, thanks for the tour 14:16:03 You can actually give a copy/paste of the PHP or serialized code to a friend, and they can import it so they have a ready-to-use filter 14:16:18 stickster: nods, nice 14:16:42 pcalarco: I'm sure there are things I'm not pulling right now -- like turning bullet lists into

14:17:18 stickster: yes, that is polish refinement we can do after themeing is in place 14:17:20 That's not difficult to do, just some more painstaking work in the interface -- or I might try doing it in the PHP and just importing the changes 14:17:34 pcalarco: OK, glad this was helpful so you could see how the sausage is made 14:17:55 It's not rocket science, honestly, otherwise I'd have given up :-) 14:18:14 stickster: thanks for the meeting this am, I feel we accomplished a fair amount 14:18:21 OK, I'm going to bail and work with jsmith for a bit -- thanks for all your time pcalarco! 14:18:32 stickster: likewise 14:19:15 I'm going to prep for another meeting at the half hour; see you all later and have a good weekend! 15:14:27 * stickster_mtg just created https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveUSB_press_review_instructions for jsmith and future FPLs to use for the LiveUSB review materials for journalists 15:28:55 mizmo: Do you have that list of potential F15 names we came up with in Zurich handy? 15:29:04 jsmith, i do one sec 15:46:01 mizmo: No rush... just getting some things ready for Board meeting on Monday 15:51:38 jsmith, http://fpaste.org/V2wu/ 15:51:53 mizmo: Thanks! 15:52:33 np 17:57:03 Announcement from my owner (jsmith): Fedora Board Meeting (Q&A regarding Vision Statement) starting in #fedora-board-meeting in the next few minutes. 20:04:25 mchua_afk: query wrt open source policy map : 20:04:54 the document has a first table that is country based (no specific locations within the country are speified here) 20:05:24 do i randomly put the marker in the region covered by the country? (this might just cause markers clashing) 20:05:40 or do i try and uniformly place them? to prevent them from looking cluttered? 20:06:13 the other table has specific regions, which i can mark to, so they shouldn't cause too much trouble 20:14:38 mchua_afk: current progress : two markers added for two nations, am yet to automate this. http://gitorious.org/open-source-policy-map 20:14:42 * FranciscoD heads to bed 13:24:12 FranciscoD: Whoa, that's awesome. 13:24:34 FranciscoD: Er... I think "randomly" is fine for a first pass, and then if it starts clashing we can fix it :) 13:25:07 Thanks so much for taking this on - I'll make sure Tiemann gets to see it. :) 18:17:58 stickster_afk: Should we/can we remove Zikula from the Insight page? 09:30:18 Hey, rbergeron. Ping us when you're back. 09:34:10 If anyone else is awake, we'll have some professors from POSSE South Africa joining us in a moment. 09:34:13 hi 09:34:26 quick transition :) 09:35:01 rbergeron: whenever you're ready 09:35:10 * rbergeron is back :) 09:35:27 * rbergeron wonders if posse_projector is a person or a location? 09:35:39 err... a thing? 09:36:15 posse_projector, <- undercover name for mchua 09:36:24 aha! 09:37:29 Okay. So: about fedora marketing - our primary objective is to promote the usage and development of Fedora (both the Project and the Product, if you will). 09:38:02 We primarily do this through text-based marketing "collateral" - so we produce things like this: 09:38:17 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes 09:38:48 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_feature_profiles <--- a couple of different interviews related to features in Fedora 13 09:38:58 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F14_Beta_announcement 09:38:59 (thanks rbergeron, this is great!) 09:39:24 The stuff we do is schedule-based, and synchronized with the overall release schedule. 09:40:10 We also handle things like twitter/identi.ca microblogging, keeping track of news pieces (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/PressArchive/F13) 09:40:53 One of our primary "customers" is the Ambassador team - they can use a lot of the materials we produce to do their "in person" work (such as at trade shows, etc.) 09:41:11 (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors) 09:41:28 We are the customers! 09:41:33 rbergeron: I just sent a FB friend request 09:41:40 Another thing i wanted to show everyone is zodbot. 09:42:00 Another group we try to cater to is press people / reviewers / bloggers - making the information about Fedora as available, and as user-friendly as possible for them to access to understand. 09:42:04 * liknus kicks jwildeboer for using FB 09:42:09 posse_projector: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 09:42:13 #endmeeting 09:42:19 #endmeeting 09:42:25 * rbergeron wonders who was in a meeting 09:42:39 .endmeeting 09:43:12 rbergeron: we'll do it in #teachingopensource 09:43:16 okeedokee. 09:43:56 Anyway - and, of course, we work to get out the things we do through other channels - microblogging, blogs, etc. - places where it will be seen, re-seen by others who are shared with, etc. 09:44:35 We also worked with jadudm's class last ... spring?... and had them contribute / collaborate on some of the marketing pieces we did during that time frame. 09:44:48