20:43:22 #startmeeting 20:43:22 Meeting started Fri Mar 4 20:43:22 2011 UTC. The chair is dgilmore. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:43:22 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:43:27 #meetingname releng 20:43:27 The meeting name has been set to 'releng' 20:44:02 * nirik is around. 20:44:10 abadger1999: tibbs: nirik: notting: spot: Oxf13: ping 20:44:16 * spot is around 20:45:14 lets give a few secs 20:45:22 i think it should be a quick one 20:46:31 * abadger1999 in another meeting. Half here. 20:46:39 #info spot, nirik, dgilmore, abadger1999 here 20:46:44 #topic Alpha 20:46:53 so alpha is done and staged 20:46:58 I'm actually here, though I don't usually attend releng meetings. 20:47:07 i still need to get the torrents ready 20:47:21 tibbs: i just pinged you since you do scm stuff 20:47:34 feel free to tell me to bugger off if you want 20:47:55 I'm always in this channel anyway.... 20:48:07 dgilmore: did jsmith ask you about the background issue? 20:48:13 spot: he did 20:48:22 spot: turns out its a bug in gnome3 20:48:25 dgilmore: are we doing anything to resolve that or just not worrying about it 20:48:26 we cant set it 20:48:42 spot: gnome doesnt support us setting it 20:48:52 the package with the right background is there 20:48:58 * spot wonders if they consider that a bug or a feature. :P 20:49:03 and background is correct on the other desktops 20:49:07 indeed 20:49:19 dgilmore: is there a beta blocker for that? 20:49:33 spot: not sure i assume jsmith filled one 20:49:45 jsmith: ping, see above 20:50:04 but i think that it meets the beta blocker criteria 20:50:32 spot: i know the F14 alpha printed info about being f13 and wasnt considered a alpha blocker 20:50:39 * spot nods 20:50:58 other than the slip alpha has gone well 20:51:19 we have had a massive amount of updates that were waiting on it 20:51:51 does anyone have any feedback on alpha? 20:53:57 * nirik has nothing. Fly and be free alpha. :) 20:54:17 :) 20:54:25 #topic ec2 images 20:54:52 ok so i made a mistake and checked the ec2 kickstart into the spins-kickstarts git repo 20:55:17 since thats where we pull all our kickstarts from 20:55:48 as we have spins defined it doesnt fit 20:56:01 yeah, so should we make the install media and other stuff go somewhere else? or expand spin-kickstarts to image-kickstarts or something that has them all? 20:56:02 and i dont know whats the best way to move forward 20:56:14 nirik: yeah 20:56:37 maybe just fedora-kickstarts 20:56:48 spins sig is supposed to meet next week, perhaps ask there what they would prefer? 20:57:55 nirik: i kinda think maybe we need to take it to fesco witha recoomendation that offical kickstarts live in a new location. fedora-kickstarts 20:58:07 that pulls the spins kickstarts from spins-kickstarts 20:58:15 and leaves the spins sig to look after spins 20:58:42 but install kickstarts ec2 other clouds etc either live in fedora-kickstarts 20:58:45 so this would be shipped as a package and obsolete spins-kickstarts? 20:58:51 or are pulled from cloud-kickstarts etc 20:58:52 wouldn't that mean desktop/kde maintainers would need to commit to two places? 20:58:54 or just be seperate? 20:59:31 notting: i was thinking that they would live in spins-kickstarts 20:59:38 there's 2 things here: a) the place things pull from to compose, b) the package end users can install to look at and play with ks files. 20:59:42 and we setup a automated way to pull into fedora-kickstarts 21:00:08 that seems like a lot of duplication... 21:00:49 nirik: it save duplication of commits 21:00:55 by mnaintainer 21:01:12 well, why not just make spins-kickstarts be all the spins and stay as it is now. 21:01:14 i havent fully come up witha plan 21:01:28 and then make a new fedora-kickstarts that has dvd media + ec2 + whatever in it. 21:01:35 we could do that 21:01:50 then when comoosing we need to pull multiple git repos 21:02:03 true... is that difficult? 21:02:10 not really 21:02:11 seems inefficient 21:02:21 why not just manage ec2 in spin-kickstarts, get it reviewed there, etc/ 21:02:31 if we can automate the pulling of the kickstarts and clone once id be happy 21:02:52 notting: there is no way that it will fit into the spins guidelines as they stand 21:03:06 but then the dvd/install media is in there now, and it doesn't either. 21:03:26 another option is to work with the spins sig and redifne their guidelines 21:04:01 * Southern_Gentlem likes to be able to create an updated livecd on the fly 21:04:16 Southern_Gentlem: that wouldnt stop at all 21:04:22 in any senario 21:05:18 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Guidelines 21:05:24 thats the spins guidelines 21:05:33 so, perhaps we should ask spins sig how we can do this/what method they would prefer... 21:05:39 really we can make it work a number of ways. 21:06:31 anyway im open to ideas on how to move forward 21:06:40 ec2 was a fedora 14 feature 21:06:49 the cloud sig composed those images 21:07:16 they want rel-eng to make them for F-15 21:07:29 im ok doing so 21:07:39 we can spin them up in koji like we do livecds 21:07:53 and i have some code i need to grab that will let them be uploaded 21:08:20 the current kickstart makes a 10gb image 21:08:40 pretty good sized... 21:08:47 but of course users don't need to download that. ;) 21:08:52 right 21:09:04 it never gets uploaded anywhere users grab it 21:09:12 we upload it to amazon 21:09:20 and make it available to users there 21:09:30 its a minimal install 21:09:44 but apparently we cant upload a sparse image 21:10:26 i wanted to bring to everyones attention what happened there 21:10:47 anything anyone wants to add ? 21:11:23 ok 21:11:26 moving on 21:11:34 #topic next week 21:12:46 so im flying to australia tomorrow for some family stuff 21:12:57 I need to make the torrents tonight 21:13:09 and get the early seeders grab them 21:13:20 evething is staged for alpha 21:13:21 * nirik can grab them and seed when available. 21:14:23 ill be around to send the announcement and open the flood gates etc 21:14:49 but once alpha out ill be unavailable for a few days 21:15:04 nirik: has agreed to do updates pushes 21:15:22 can people please help with getting tickets handled 21:15:28 * nirik nods. Can start doing them tomorrow. 21:16:33 thanks nirik 21:16:39 ok thats its for that 21:16:44 i have one more topic 21:16:44 I see only torrent tickets and 21:16:52 export stuff ticket 21:16:55 yeah 21:17:01 torrents illd o tonight 21:17:05 export we do monday 21:17:29 #topic self service overrides 21:17:48 this is something id like to work on once F-15 is done 21:18:14 what im thinking right now is an option in fedpkg 21:18:21 fedpkg override 21:18:40 ok. There was talk of a web app also, but fedpkg might be easier. 21:18:45 that would talk to a server that records who requested it for what nvr 21:18:55 allow them to specifiy a life for the override 21:19:00 defaulting to 24 hours 21:19:32 the server would then do the tag in koji 21:19:41 and at the end of its life untag it 21:19:49 i could see having a web app for it 21:19:55 to see the current overrides 21:20:12 and allow requests, extentions etc 21:20:42 i just wanted to get the idea out there 21:20:45 yeah, sounds nifty. Would this be something good to add to the google summer of code? or you want to do it? ;) 21:20:48 get feedback etc 21:21:08 we can put it up as a summer of code project 21:21:14 i hadent thought of that 21:21:17 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2011 21:21:37 ill add it there 21:21:42 and offer to eb a mentor 21:21:51 of course doesn't mean anyone will take it, but you never know. ;) 21:22:03 right 21:22:32 most of the tickets releng gets are override requests 21:22:44 it will make it easier for users 21:22:55 yep. 21:23:16 we need to get scm branch requests automated 21:23:30 with a admin checkoff that yep its good to go 21:23:41 and new brnaches just being automatically created 21:24:28 the current script does a pretty good job toward that. ;) 21:24:54 nirik: right 21:25:41 nirik: i kinda think id like to get the branch requesting out of bugzilla 21:25:55 New package or just new branches? 21:25:57 yeah, thats an option too... 21:26:05 tibbs: both 21:26:19 New package stuff needs to tie to bugzilla somehow anyway. 21:26:33 But branches shouldn't matter, although it's somewhat convenient for recording acks and such. 21:26:54 tibbs: what im thinking is a webapp that the requester can check branches, put in the bug number, add cc's etc 21:27:20 tibbs: we could make it check that the package has the needed bugzilla flags etc 21:27:41 basically take out the user improvisation in branch requests 21:28:07 To be honest, a simple script could do that (and post the result to the bugzilla ticket for processing). 21:28:27 But sure, if someone's there to write it I'll figure out how to adapt to it. 21:29:09 tibbs: maybe we just add a script to fedora-packager 21:29:27 one that creates and submits the request for the user 21:29:41 Sure; that shouldn't be hard. 21:29:44 dgilmore: We've talked about adding that to the packagedb -- just had time problems with doing it and with tibbs's script, it was no longer as necessary. 21:29:57 Though is there any way to tell that a branch is not yet EOL but isn't accepting new branches? 21:30:13 abadger1999: :) 21:30:18 tibbs: i dont think so 21:30:34 not at this time. 21:30:39 tibbs: we can work out some way to do that 21:30:41 Because that's one thing I have to hardcode and keep updated. 21:31:03 tibbs: maybe we can get something from bodhi 21:31:03 But otherwise, sure, the processing script made this easy enough on the admin side that most of us don't care to sink more effort into it. 21:31:22 But making it easier for the packagers would be good. 21:31:28 since bodhi knows when we start pushing updtaes to dist-f15-updates and not dist-f15 21:33:09 so we might be able to do that and take away the need to manually update that 21:33:24 anyways thats all i have 21:33:33 #topic open floor 21:33:42 anyone habe anything else to add? 21:34:24 * nirik has nothing off hand. 21:35:14 ok well i guess ill wrap it up 21:35:31 closing in 30 if there is nothing else 21:36:11 #endmeeting