16:00:12 <jednorozec> #startmeeting RELENG (2023-01-31)
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16:00:12 <jednorozec> #chair nirik sharkcz pbrobinson phsmoura dustymabe jednorozec
16:00:12 <jednorozec> #topic init process
16:00:12 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jednorozec nirik pbrobinson phsmoura sharkcz
16:01:06 <nirik[m]> Morning
16:01:22 <dherrera> .hi
16:01:23 <zodbot> dherrera: dherrera 'Diego Herrera' <dherrera@redhat.com>
16:01:47 <jonathanspw> .hi
16:01:48 <zodbot> jonathanspw: jonathanspw 'Jonathan Wright' <jonathan@almalinux.org>
16:01:53 <jonathanspw> just here to be a fly on the wall
16:02:52 <jnsamyak> .hi2 jnsamyak
16:03:40 <jednorozec> hello and welcome
16:03:55 <jednorozec> #topic current release cycle
16:04:20 <nirik[m]> welcome!
16:04:35 <jednorozec> Mass rebuild will happen in one week on this day
16:04:41 <jednorozec> uf
16:04:44 <jednorozec> wrong line
16:04:58 <jednorozec> Branching of Fedora 38 will happen next week
16:06:21 <jednorozec> we have 2 relevant tickets for the branching event
16:06:23 <jednorozec> .releng #startmeeting RELENG (2023-01-31)
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16:06:23 <jednorozec> #chair nirik sharkcz pbrobinson phsmoura dustymabe jednorozec
16:06:23 <jednorozec> #topic init process
16:06:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jednorozec nirik pbrobinson phsmoura sharkcz
16:06:25 <nirik[m]> Yeah.
16:06:25 <jednorozec> uff
16:06:47 <jednorozec> .releng 11188
16:06:48 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #11188: Update release process - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11188
16:07:13 <nirik[m]> copy pasta. ;)
16:07:25 <jednorozec> lots of pasta :D
16:07:57 <nirik[m]> anyhow, yes, we should use the 'frozen' state. :)
16:08:37 <smooge> linguini
16:08:41 <jednorozec> and
16:08:43 <jednorozec> .releng 11192
16:08:44 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #11192: Ansible: vars/all/FedoraPreviousPrevious.yaml not being properly updated - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11192
16:08:50 <nirik[m]> I think we can test this out a bit on the day.
16:09:19 <nirik[m]> ie, set frozen, then manually do a push and confirm that it doesn't do the frozen set
16:10:09 <nirik[m]> oh, I wonder. What happens if you freeze rawhide? does it not make auto updates? or does it do nothing? but I guess thats a sidenote
16:10:27 <nirik[m]> and yes, we need to make sure and update the variables.
16:11:30 <jednorozec> nirik[m], I will runt the branching sooner that usually
16:11:57 <jednorozec> around 7am UTC
16:12:38 <nirik[m]> ok. Fine with me.
16:12:53 <jednorozec> it takes a while to run all the playbooks and we can either deal with unforeseen consequences during this meeting
16:12:55 <nirik[m]> I might still be awake as thats my evening. ;)
16:13:36 <jednorozec> I will be on my way home from fosdem with stop in Brno to branch fedora :D
16:14:05 <nirik[m]> ha. hardcore. ☺️
16:14:16 <jednorozec> Anyway that is it for branching, all changes will be in PRs day before the event
16:14:43 <nirik[m]> there's a signing task on the docker for... today.
16:15:21 <jednorozec> Yeah
16:15:39 <nirik[m]> I guess I will try and whip up something. I asked patrick and he said it would make sense for sigul to have a way to do this, but it doesn't currently. ☹️
16:16:16 <nirik[m]> so it's all brute force... use sign_unsigned to get a list of all packages in f38 tag, then feed them in a loop to robosignatory... after adding it to robosignatory config.
16:16:27 <nirik[m]> but I will try and get something working
16:18:30 <jednorozec> I can help
16:18:53 * jednorozec was around into late nights past few nights
16:19:26 <jednorozec> oh ad signing
16:19:51 <jednorozec> .releng 10713
16:19:52 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #10713: Add ELN to the set of packages to be re-signed at each Branch - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10713
16:20:07 <jednorozec> I have added note about signing but not actual SOP on how to do that
16:20:52 <nirik[m]> ideally the SOP will become 'make this robosignatory change and then run this sigul command'
16:21:00 <nirik[m]> but it's not currently
16:21:13 <jednorozec> right
16:21:36 <jednorozec> so we can probably move to tickets
16:22:52 <jednorozec> .releng 11240
16:22:54 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #11240: Rawhide branch not properly retired for libqb-epel and kronosnet-epel - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11240
16:23:17 <jednorozec> this happened multiple times, sometimes maintainers forget to retire rawhide
16:23:41 <jednorozec> sometimes the PDC flaps and branches stay live
16:23:58 <nirik[m]> well, or retire packages is broken. ;)
16:24:05 <jednorozec> or
16:24:27 <nirik[m]> could we detect these? ie, look at all dist-git with dead.package and confirm all of them are retired?
16:24:31 <jednorozec> depends on the current constellation
16:24:51 <jednorozec> yep
16:25:01 <nirik[m]> should be scriptable?
16:25:04 <jednorozec> and there was a tracking ticket for that and we got them all I think
16:25:16 <jednorozec> but there are new requests coming in
16:25:39 <nirik[m]> well, we got all that requested... but I worry there are more out there.
16:25:41 <jednorozec> I have created this https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/toddlers/issue/151
16:26:10 <jednorozec> all future requests should just disable the rawhide branch for such packages
16:26:14 <nirik[m]> yeah, I suppose that could work...
16:26:31 <jednorozec> to your question about if we have them all
16:26:34 <nirik[m]> but there's probibly still packages that people marked dead.package but didn't get retired.
16:26:41 <jednorozec> yes
16:26:51 <jednorozec> I was specificaly talking about -epel packages
16:27:22 <nirik[m]> I don't think I want to commit to making such a script, but perhaps we should file a ticket and one of the newer folks could do it as a good way to learn things?
16:27:53 <jednorozec> yup
16:28:08 <nirik[m]> want me to file the ticket? or you got it?
16:28:18 <jednorozec> I can do it
16:28:28 <nirik[m]> and shall we close 11240 ?
16:28:45 <jednorozec> yes
16:28:58 <nirik[m]> cool.
16:29:26 <jednorozec> .releng 11254
16:29:28 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #11254: Allow setting of macros for side tag - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11254
16:29:51 <nirik[m]> so, this came out of a devel list discussion.
16:30:02 <nirik[m]> I think we should get FESCo to approve before we just do it. ;)
16:30:20 <nirik[m]> I was really hoping we could only grant bootstrap
16:30:29 <jednorozec> hmm
16:30:31 <nirik[m]> all macros is... a lot of power.
16:30:42 <jednorozec> do we really want to allow any macro?
16:30:57 <nirik[m]> --rpm-macro dist=i-have-my-own-dist-tag
16:31:20 <nirik[m]> right, it's a ton of power...
16:31:55 <nirik[m]> it is only packagers tho... and we already trust them a fair bit.
16:32:14 <nirik[m]> well, I mean anyone could make a side tag, but only packagers can merge them back
16:33:26 <jednorozec> are there some limitations to the param
16:33:27 <jednorozec> ?
16:33:43 <jednorozec> or can I just feed it with 200 lines of code?
16:34:02 <nirik[m]> I don't know. there was an upstream ticket, but I haven't read my mail yet, so I have no idea if they explained it more.
16:34:29 <nirik[m]> I think you can override/create any macro(s) you want.
16:35:21 <jednorozec> ok should we tag the request?
16:35:21 <nirik[m]> ideally we could limit it to bootstrap and a allowlist of others.
16:35:35 <nirik[m]> Sure, it needs more investigation.
16:35:38 <nirik[m]> IMHO
16:35:51 <jednorozec> ack
16:36:39 <nirik[m]> and possibly fesco approval. If we can limit it, I would think it would be fine... if not I would prefer FESCo know/ack it if we do it.
16:37:44 * jednorozec writing comment
16:43:37 <jednorozec> I will close the mass rebuild f38 changes
16:43:48 <jednorozec> probably also the tracker ticket?
16:44:56 <nirik[m]> yep. +1
16:45:04 <nirik[m]> That should clear out some tickets.
16:45:11 <nirik[m]> How is the docs stuff looking? any progress?
16:47:50 <jednorozec> yeah I had a bit of git hell the other week
16:47:56 <jednorozec> but got it sorted out
16:48:35 <jednorozec> https://pagure.io/fork/humaton/infra-docs-fpo/blob/release_guide/f/modules/release_guide/pages
16:48:46 <jednorozec> I should opne PR the the docs page
16:48:57 <nirik[m]> ice
16:48:58 <nirik[m]> nice even
16:49:46 <jednorozec> but the main thing is not finished yet
16:49:48 <jednorozec> https://pagure.io/fork/humaton/infra-docs-fpo/blob/release_guide/f/modules/release_guide/pages/release_process.adoc
16:50:06 <jednorozec> I want this to be the only user facing page compiled from the SOPs
16:50:33 <jednorozec> so its one page chronologically ordered
16:51:01 <nirik[m]> nice.
16:51:16 <nirik[m]> if will be very good to get that in place and have 1 thing to update.
16:52:29 <jednorozec> and use GPT3 to rewrite it into ansible playbook :)
16:53:08 * nirik[m] shudders
16:54:31 <jednorozec> #topic Open Floor
16:55:32 <nirik[m]> I'm not sure I had much...
16:56:05 <nirik[m]> Have you been showing the new person the ropes (I forgot their nick/handle)
16:56:15 <jednorozec> yup
16:56:27 <jednorozec> jnsamyak it is
16:56:37 <jednorozec> he took over stalled epel packages
16:56:43 <nirik[m]> ah yea, right. 👋
16:56:52 <jednorozec> and helped with changes for the rebuild
16:57:18 <jednorozec> now we will go through the branching, also reason why I would like to start earlier
16:57:29 <nirik[m]> sounds good.
16:58:27 <jednorozec> it is really refreshing to open inbox to closed tickets notifications :)
16:59:18 <jednorozec> s/to/and see
16:59:39 <nirik[m]> 😀
17:00:25 * nirik[m] has to go try and feed cats before fesco meeting.
17:00:29 <jednorozec> time is up, have a nice rest of the day
17:00:33 <jednorozec> #endmeeting