16:00:10 <nirik> #startmeeting RELENG (2023-09-05)
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16:00:11 <nirik> #meetingname releng
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16:00:11 <nirik> #chair nirik sharkcz pbrobinson phsmoura dustymabe jednorozec
16:00:11 <nirik> #topic init process
16:00:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: dustymabe jednorozec nirik pbrobinson phsmoura sharkcz
16:00:35 <nirik> ahoy. will wait a bit for people to arrive
16:03:32 <patrikp> Good evening everyone.
16:03:41 <nirik> morning
16:05:39 <jednorozec> hello everybody
16:06:30 <nirik> 👋🏻
16:06:45 <nirik> so, whats on the docket for today?
16:07:33 <jednorozec> I have few small things
16:07:45 <jednorozec> .releng 11657
16:07:46 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #11657: Fedora Media Writer 5.0.7 released - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11657
16:07:56 * nirik nods. sigh.
16:08:04 <jednorozec> so
16:08:27 <jednorozec> I am looking into the cloud things lately
16:08:50 <nirik> that would be better than a hw token if we can
16:08:50 <jednorozec> the prefered way is to use MS signtool to sing windows files
16:09:12 <jednorozec> upstream/we will have to redo the windows build process
16:09:21 <jednorozec> because it has to run on windows
16:09:38 <nirik> ick. it was mingw before right?
16:09:46 <jednorozec> its scary for em I have 0 windows knowledge
16:10:23 <jednorozec> so the tool we use is osslsigncode that is a partial impelmentation of the mssigntool
16:10:49 <jednorozec> and yes it was build by mingw
16:11:31 <jednorozec> I am crafting mail into the internal thread, there might be a way we could do the same thing as now just with AWS
16:11:42 <nirik> yeah, actually the macos process also has changed... I haven't used the new path yet
16:12:08 <jednorozec> so apparently AWS can do both
16:12:14 <jednorozec> mac&win
16:12:31 <nirik> oh yeah? that would be nice
16:12:47 <nirik> for signing you mean? or also building?
16:12:58 <jednorozec> I was hoping for more time to poke around, but the new release of FMW...
16:13:00 <nirik> but I guess we could spin up instaces to build too
16:13:13 <jednorozec> so we need something fast
16:14:02 * nirik wonders if there is any other rh releng team that builds for win/mac and could take this on for us. its really not our area of expertese
16:14:20 <jednorozec> so there is podman-desktop
16:14:47 <jednorozec> Its not our area but it was interesting so I wanted to poke around :)
16:14:51 <jednorozec> but its complex
16:14:57 <nirik> yeah.
16:15:14 <jednorozec> so I will seek more guidence from rh people, I think you are in the thread nirik
16:15:42 <nirik> yeah. thanks for looking into this. wish it was less of a crisis
16:16:35 <jednorozec> I never realized how big is this part of the industry
16:17:22 <nirik> yeah... ;(
16:17:23 <jednorozec> anyway, I will seek some more help from internal people and we can move on
16:17:59 <jednorozec> .releng 11651
16:18:00 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #11651: Pull python-django from EPEL 8 - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11651
16:18:06 <jednorozec> how do I do that?
16:18:14 <jednorozec> or anybody...
16:18:35 <jednorozec> should I just rm it from the main mirror?
16:18:36 <nirik> untag all versions of it I guess....
16:18:39 <nirik> no
16:18:42 <jednorozec> right
16:18:47 <jednorozec> I think that is done
16:18:53 <jednorozec> but let me re checks
16:19:12 <nirik> the downside of untagging is that it will get GCed
16:19:26 <jednorozec> hmm
16:19:31 <nirik> ie, it will get deleted and gone forever, but we pushed it out.
16:19:40 <jednorozec> right right
16:19:44 <nirik> So, perhaps we could make a isolated tag for it and move it there?
16:19:58 <nirik> epel8-django-retirement or something
16:20:03 <jednorozec> #scrapyard
16:20:08 <jednorozec> :D
16:20:09 <nirik> heh.
16:20:20 <nirik> burried-treasure
16:21:04 <nirik> there's only 3 versions tagged.
16:21:30 <jednorozec> ok so let me write a how to into the ticket and close it with explanation for future generations
16:21:39 <nirik> koji list-history --tag epel8 --package python-django --active
16:23:44 <jednorozec> my life is not the same after I discovered list-history command
16:24:01 <nirik> yeah, quite handy.
16:24:29 <jednorozec> it gets me that it can list history on almost anything in koji :D
16:24:39 <jednorozec> one more
16:24:41 <jednorozec> .releng 11641
16:24:42 <zodbot> jednorozec: Issue #11641: Some F39 updates from 2023-8-22 marked as in testing in bodhi weren't pushed to updates-testing - releng - Pagure.io - https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11641
16:24:46 <jednorozec> related to branching
16:25:42 <jednorozec> so we need to update the branching docs and disable new bodhi updates creating few hours before the actual frozen state is set
16:25:53 <nirik> yeah, likely so.
16:26:04 <nirik> for these stuck ones they are likely in the wrong tags now...
16:26:06 <nirik> or...
16:26:20 <nirik> we could ask bodhi to retag things when the release state changes?
16:26:21 <jednorozec> I tagged them to the right ones I think
16:26:29 <jednorozec> but they may retain the -testing tags
16:26:33 <nirik> might be too complicated.
16:26:42 <jednorozec> hmm
16:27:11 <jednorozec> well its worth to ask in the bodhi tracker if its feasible
16:27:17 <nirik> I guess we could make some small check script to see what updates are mistagged?
16:27:37 <jednorozec> that should not be a problem
16:30:27 <nirik> yeah, we could do tall those.
16:30:44 <nirik> well, actually no...
16:30:52 <nirik> I don't know how we can disable bodhi updates crating.
16:31:13 <nirik> and in a way that doesn't interfere with us pushing fedora-release/repos as we need to
16:32:42 <nirik> so checking and possibly getting bodhi to fix things on changes seem possible tho
16:34:29 <jednorozec> hum
16:35:56 <nirik> we can ponder on it too...
16:36:53 <jednorozec> Consulting bodhi devel is probably the best approach to get it done correctly
16:37:44 <jednorozec> anyhow that is all I had for today
16:37:46 <nirik> sure, can you file a issue? or want me to?
16:37:53 <jednorozec> I will do that
16:37:58 <nirik> cool.
16:38:02 <nirik> I had 2 small items
16:38:30 <nirik> First, hopefully a beta rc will be along soon. We should make the pr for pungi-fedora and review it and get it in so we are all ready. ;)
16:39:33 <nirik> I can submit a pr and/or review if someone else would like to. ;)
16:39:36 <jednorozec> Its a little bit late today but I can open the PR first thing in the morning
16:39:45 <nirik> ok, sounds good.
16:39:49 <jednorozec> or if you can i will review it in the morning
16:39:55 <jednorozec> up to you
16:40:14 <nirik> ok. I'll see how far I get through my backlog today. ;)
16:40:18 <jednorozec> I need to contact RH relengs
16:40:35 <jednorozec> patrikp, updated the rc script so we will emit msg
16:40:38 <nirik> next, I posted about the workshop jamesr and I ran at flock... feedback welcome:
16:40:46 <nirik> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/infrastructure-and-release-engineering-onboading-mentoring-workshop-report-feedback/88655
16:40:47 <jednorozec> to the bus and they can pull it the moment it finishes
16:41:00 <nirik> ok, cool.
16:41:41 <nirik> Oh, one other thing...
16:42:01 <nirik> well, 2 other things actually. ;)
16:42:15 <jednorozec> they duplicate those little things
16:42:22 <nirik> I'm going to file a ticket to track this, but I am hoping we can retire all our osbs clusters after f39 release...
16:42:32 <jednorozec> weeeheeee
16:42:39 <nirik> which will be awesome.
16:43:18 <nirik> and I did a bit more poking on the koji database server this weekend, and hopefully it's a bit more speedy... I think I need to talk with koji upstream and get some db tips...
16:43:37 <nirik> and I haven't looked closely at the pdc retirement email, but it's on my backlog.
16:44:18 <nirik> I think thats all.
16:44:21 <jednorozec> osbs,pdc,mbs future of fedora infra looks brighter already :)
16:44:44 <nirik> I wish we could also do odcs... I need to talk to eln folks again.
16:45:00 <nirik> mbs sadly we have to keep until eol for f38... ;(
16:45:14 <jednorozec> yeah buts there is end date
16:45:19 <nirik> yep.
16:45:21 <jednorozec> its a big progress :D
16:45:29 <nirik> yeah, some headway.
16:45:59 <jednorozec> than the last dinosaur imagefactory
16:46:17 <jednorozec> and its all rainbows and unicorns
16:48:54 <jednorozec> ok, so if that is all and there are no questions I think we can end sooner and get few minutes of the day/evening
16:49:01 <nirik> sounds good.
16:49:12 <jednorozec> you have the keys nirik
16:49:37 <jednorozec> or can I close it?
16:49:40 <jednorozec> #endmeeting