2023-11-28 17:00:17 <@humaton:fedora.im> !startmeeting RELENG (2023-11-28)
2023-11-28 17:00:18 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2023-11-28 17:00:17 UTC
2023-11-28 17:00:18 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2023-11-28)'
2023-11-28 17:00:23 <@humaton:fedora.im> !meetingname releng

2023-11-28 17:00:29 <@humaton:fedora.im> !chair nirik sharkcz pbrobinson phsmoura dustymabe jednorozec

2023-11-28 17:00:35 <@humaton:fedora.im> !topic init process

2023-11-28 17:00:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !hi
2023-11-28 17:00:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Kevin Fenzi (kevin) - he / him / his
2023-11-28 17:01:04 <@humaton:fedora.im> !hi
2023-11-28 17:01:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Tomáš Hrčka (humaton) - he / him / his
2023-11-28 17:01:14 <@humaton:fedora.im> heh :)
2023-11-28 17:02:01 <@patrikp:matrix.org> !hi
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2023-11-28 17:04:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> whats our agenda today?
2023-11-28 17:04:50 <@humaton:fedora.im> I have few updates and some questions
2023-11-28 17:04:56 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I wanted to talk about builders/f39
2023-11-28 17:05:13 <@humaton:fedora.im> there was my questions 
2023-11-28 17:05:19 <@humaton:fedora.im> did I break things in stg?
2023-11-28 17:05:31 <@humaton:fedora.im> and the createrepo_c thing
2023-11-28 17:05:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah... but totally not your fault...
2023-11-28 17:06:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we are running a koji package version that has a few patches on it... needed a new f39 build of that. Without it, kojid was failing to run on builders because a missing plugin we asked it to load. :)
2023-11-28 17:07:23 <@humaton:fedora.im> hmmm
2023-11-28 17:07:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so, we should add to the SOP to check koji version and make sure any local builds are done/ready first
2023-11-28 17:08:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2325277 is the f39 one... staging should be updated to that and happy now.
2023-11-28 17:10:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> which brings us to the other thing... we can't do prod yet.
2023-11-28 17:10:36 <@humaton:fedora.im> and those patches are living somewhere?
2023-11-28 17:11:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> in the src.rpm in koji... but I think all of them are upstream now, just not in a release...
2023-11-28 17:12:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> one is a theme tweak, one is a debugging add and the last is the scmpolicy plugin, which they were going to land upstream.
2023-11-28 17:13:01 <@humaton:fedora.im> ok, so rebuild from srpm into -infra tag
2023-11-28 17:13:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep. I don't see the scmpolicy plugin yet upstream, will poke them about that.
2023-11-28 17:14:23 <@humaton:fedora.im> I will send PR for the SOP
2023-11-28 17:14:28 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2023-11-28 17:15:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> So, on prod... new f39 createrepo_c will make repos that epel7/rhel7 can't understand... so, we need to wait until: rhel7 goes eol, or more likely until createrepo_c + koji can work something to handle this case. Probibly a way to set on a tag that it needs older createrepo_c repodata and a way to pass that into createrepo_c...
2023-11-28 17:16:36 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so thats just on hold until then I guess. :(
2023-11-28 17:16:42 <@humaton:fedora.im> Yeah I thought so after the ticket was opened for that
2023-11-28 17:18:24 <@humaton:fedora.im> Hmm 
2023-11-28 17:18:33 <@humaton:fedora.im> el7 EOL is in Jun 24
2023-11-28 17:18:49 <@humaton:fedora.im> so we will build f40 on f38 builders?
2023-11-28 17:19:24 <@humaton:fedora.im> but hopefully things get sorted out in koji by then
2023-11-28 17:19:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, I really hope for sooner.
2023-11-28 17:20:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I suppose we could...
2023-11-28 17:21:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> upgrade all the machines except some few and force all the createrepos there, but there's... a vast sea of them, so that would slow things a lot.
2023-11-28 17:22:04 <@humaton:fedora.im> maybe as extra last resort if nothings gets done on koji/createrepo_c side of things?
2023-11-28 17:22:33 <@humaton:fedora.im> and we need the upgrade because change X requires what ever...
2023-11-28 17:23:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, I'd prefer not to do that... but it's an option if we need it.
2023-11-28 17:24:04 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sadly we can't just direct epel7 newrepos to some... it's all or nothing I think.
2023-11-28 17:25:15 <@humaton:fedora.im> I wanted to ask you about this. 
2023-11-28 17:25:19 <@humaton:fedora.im> .releng 11801
2023-11-28 17:25:36 <@humaton:fedora.im> !releng 11801
2023-11-28 17:25:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> releng #11801 (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11801): Please retarget f39-toolchain to rawhide/f40
2023-11-28 17:25:41 <@humaton:fedora.im> so
2023-11-28 17:26:08 <@humaton:fedora.im> is there a big difference between rename/retarget things and creating new tag/target ?
2023-11-28 17:27:23 <@humaton:fedora.im> what I want to ask is if the outcome is the same. Because I find it simpler to just recreate those that to fiddle with editing 
2023-11-28 17:28:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, should be the same... so, I'd say, remove the f39 target, make new f40 one and... add to our branching docs to just do it at branching time? (if thats ok with requestor?)
2023-11-28 17:29:15 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I mean even if it's called 'rawhide-toolchain' we will have to change it at branching to point to the new rawhide...
2023-11-28 17:29:30 <@humaton:fedora.im> right
2023-11-28 17:29:38 <@humaton:fedora.im> but they target f40
2023-11-28 17:30:05 <@humaton:fedora.im> but yeah I will add it to the branching tasks and check with them
2023-11-28 17:30:18 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> right now, yes... but when f40 branches... I bet they want to target f41
2023-11-28 17:30:26 <@humaton:fedora.im> :D
2023-11-28 17:30:30 <@humaton:fedora.im> right 
2023-11-28 17:30:43 <@humaton:fedora.im> multilib question
2023-11-28 17:30:55 <@humaton:fedora.im> !releng 11800
2023-11-28 17:30:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> releng #11800 (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11800): Please add both obs-studio-libs and obs-studio-plugin-vkcapture to the multilib whitelist
2023-11-28 17:31:37 <@humaton:fedora.im> so should we add it? samyak already created PR fro pungi-fedora
2023-11-28 17:32:01 <@humaton:fedora.im> I just didnt merge it because I dont like 32bit stuff 
2023-11-28 17:32:15 <@humaton:fedora.im> wanted to have another ack before doing that.
2023-11-28 17:32:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, I suppose... note that we also have to add it in infra-ansible... for bodhi.
2023-11-28 17:32:39 <@humaton:fedora.im> Aaaaa!
2023-11-28 17:32:51 <@humaton:fedora.im> let me comment on the PR so we dont forget
2023-11-28 17:32:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I also don't like em, but sure... we haven't completely killed it yet.
2023-11-28 17:33:43 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> :thumbs_up
2023-11-28 17:33:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oops.
2023-11-28 17:33:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> 👍
2023-11-28 17:35:22 <@humaton:fedora.im> its the gamers they are still running 32b stuff
2023-11-28 17:35:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep. :(
2023-11-28 17:36:18 <@humaton:fedora.im> which is sad because in some ways gaming did a lot of innovation, just not moving forward in this direction
2023-11-28 17:36:41 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Someday you have to let the old closed source game go... ;)
2023-11-28 17:36:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> anyhow, I wanted to mention schedule stuff too...
2023-11-28 17:37:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> We have a few things coming up (including today!)
2023-11-28 17:37:53 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> REMINDER: EOL release final update push in 1 week 	Tue 2023-11-28 	Tue 2023-11-28 	0
 REMINDER: EOL release final update push in 1 day 	Mon 2023-12-04 	Mon 2023-12-04 	0
2023-11-28 17:38:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> then f37 EOL on 12-05 I think?
2023-11-28 17:38:21 <@humaton:fedora.im> yup
2023-11-28 17:39:27 <@humaton:fedora.im> I see no templete for the reminder
2023-11-28 17:39:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> can you send the reminders? I can if no one else...
2023-11-28 17:39:38 <@humaton:fedora.im> I can np
2023-11-28 17:39:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh? missed it I guess.
2023-11-28 17:39:47 <@humaton:fedora.im> let me just search inbox for previous
2023-11-28 17:39:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, there should be old ones to make a new template from.
2023-11-28 17:41:32 <@humaton:fedora.im> oh so I used the EOL template just $subj was 1 week 
2023-11-28 17:42:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> seems like it might be slightly different...
2023-11-28 17:42:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or should be
2023-11-28 17:45:50 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I have some issues to propose closing... :)
2023-11-28 17:46:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 11480
2023-11-28 17:46:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> releng #11480 (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11480): Changes/RetireModularity
2023-11-28 17:46:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> this should be all done I think?
2023-11-28 17:46:34 <@humaton:fedora.im> I think so
2023-11-28 17:47:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !releng 11761
2023-11-28 17:47:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> releng #11761 (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11761): missing artifacts from f39-rc-1.5 (final release)
2023-11-28 17:47:59 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> this should be all done right?
2023-11-28 17:48:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or we still need torrents?
2023-11-28 17:49:11 <@humaton:fedora.im> can you just checks before I hit send? https://paste.centos.org/view/9fc14720
2023-11-28 17:49:59 <@humaton:fedora.im> oh the torrents we have them but not in place,  I think I have copy of them in my home
2023-11-28 17:50:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Might put 'stable ' before bodhi? to let them know they must be requested/pushed stable before then...
2023-11-28 17:51:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> also, might add a link to the template for improvement suggestions (like we have on others?)
2023-11-28 17:51:20 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ah, ok, then we can leave that ticket open until those are there.
2023-11-28 17:52:35 <@humaton:fedora.im> ahh ket me rephrase that
2023-11-28 17:52:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I see some unretires seem stalled... 11793 , 11740 , 11721 , 11692
2023-11-28 17:53:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I guess some are because they needed re-review. Should we close them and tell them to open a new one after review is + ?
2023-11-28 17:55:36 <@humaton:fedora.im> So 
2023-11-28 17:55:39 <@humaton:fedora.im> yeah we can do that
2023-11-28 17:55:53 <@humaton:fedora.im> but what people tend to do is to open a new ticket instead
2023-11-28 17:56:01 <@humaton:fedora.im> there is template response for it
2023-11-28 17:56:06 <@humaton:fedora.im> but it happened once :D
2023-11-28 17:56:24 <@humaton:fedora.im> I think all of them are waiting for review
2023-11-28 17:56:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah. In fact I think at least one of those already did that and the old ticket is still open...
2023-11-28 17:56:31 <@humaton:fedora.im> some are in progress some stalled
2023-11-28 17:57:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> at least orage is already built and available .
2023-11-28 17:57:23 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> which makes me think even more we should close those. ;) Or else they just sit there forever.
2023-11-28 17:57:51 <@humaton:fedora.im> So i put link for stable updates to the email aswell https://paste.centos.org/view/2e73a360
2023-11-28 17:58:07 <@humaton:fedora.im> hmm
2023-11-28 17:58:13 <@humaton:fedora.im> did I forget to close some?
2023-11-28 17:58:18 <@humaton:fedora.im> might be the case
2023-11-28 17:58:44 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> LGTM. +1
2023-11-28 17:58:48 <@humaton:fedora.im> So i wanted to talk about this one
2023-11-28 17:58:53 <@humaton:fedora.im> !releng 11802
2023-11-28 17:58:54 <@zodbot:fedora.im> releng #11802 (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/11802): New repository request for qatengine
2023-11-28 17:59:31 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> IMHO -> close cantfix.
2023-11-28 17:59:38 <@humaton:fedora.im> it is clear violation of fedora packaging guides as pointed by carl
2023-11-28 17:59:57 <@humaton:fedora.im> Yeah 
2023-11-28 18:00:19 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> they could make a epel package... but it should pass through review and the normal process.
2023-11-28 18:01:03 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> we should also direct them to the epel matrix channel to discuss more...
2023-11-28 18:01:17 <@humaton:fedora.im> right I was going to point them to the package review process but carl was faster with response that makes since he is also epel guy
2023-11-28 18:03:46 <@humaton:fedora.im> oh
2023-11-28 18:03:49 <@humaton:fedora.im> we are over time
2023-11-28 18:04:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yep. ;)
2023-11-28 18:04:10 <@humaton:fedora.im> no time for PDC updates, but work is moving we are de-PDCfing stuff
2023-11-28 18:04:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> hurray!
2023-11-28 18:04:45 <@humaton:fedora.im> will need to do pagure release preferably before holidays
2023-11-28 18:04:51 <@humaton:fedora.im> thanks for your time
2023-11-28 18:04:54 <@humaton:fedora.im> !endmeeting