#meeting-3:fedoraproject.org log

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:01

!startmeeting RELENG (2026-03-16)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:05

Meeting started at 2026-03-16 15:00:01 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:05

The Meeting name is 'RELENG (2026-03-16)'

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:25

!meetingname releng

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:25

!info Agenda is at https://hackmd.io/vm6biLBcTYKtkQUH5kQkmw.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:25

!chair nirik jnsamyak patrikp amedvede

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:00:25

!info Meeting is 60 minutes MAX. At the end of 60, it STOPS.

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:27

The Meeting Name is now releng

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:01:12

Hi!

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:02:04

morning

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:03:14

move happened due to dst

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:03:19

hello everyone!

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:04:14

!topic Init process.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:04:14

Do we have anything for the init? Any blockers/tasks/issues/requests/features that need releng intervention?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:04:58

I have a couple of topics for later, but nothing for init.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:06:01

nothing from me too, just back from conference last week so catching up and making a plan for the week

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:06:14

Cool.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:06:19

but as discussed since freeze is lifted off, i'll be back to migration bits

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:06:19

!topic Choose next chair.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:06:19

!info Next chair March 23rd: Anton

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:06:27

!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-44/f-44-releng-tasks.html

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:06:27

!topic Scheduled actions coming up in the next week.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:06:27

!info Here we list/discuss anything about items that are due to be done in the next week.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:06:53

!info F44 Final Freeze will start on Tue 2026-03-31.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:07:18

Apart from that nothing for upcoming actions that I can see...

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:07:34

retirement has some issues, I plan to look at it tomorrow

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:08:45

Would you like to mention what you wanted to talk about Kevin? Or tickets time?

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:09:19

let's do it in tickets nothing for this topic

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:09:32

I had two hopefully quick things...

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:09:49

Go for it!

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:10:21

first... would you all like to look at enabling ai reviews on the repos that have people submitting pr's? it's enabled in infra and has caught a few things (and also suggested some things that were not a problem too)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:11:15

Just a thing to think about, we don't have to decide anything...

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:11:25

I dont see a harm in doing those, how are we doing it tho?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:12:11

here's a recent infra example on this pr https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/12880

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:12:38

Mixed feelings about that, but well above my pay grade, if you guys think that's the way to go we can. Would make good planned work too.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:13:13

and https://forge.fedoraproject.org/infra/ansible/pulls/3196 was the enabling setup in infra.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:13:25

well, you don't have to use it, it only runs on things you add the label to.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:13:36

but sometimes it does catch things...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:14:16

you all can take a look out of meeting and we can discuss next week?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:14:17

I do use Claude Opus 4.6 and I've been very impressed with code/repo analysis capabilities...

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:14:38

yeah we can always leverage things that help us, I'll take a look at it; having an extra pair of eye on work doesn't do much harm

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:14:52

and we can always disregard the suggestions made if we dont like them

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:14:54

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:15:06

it is not a set in stone type of thing

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:15:14

sure

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:15:19

yep. just a help if we want it.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:16:43

ok, second thing... openh264. We need it for f44 / f45. Upstream hasn't really released anything new so we actually don't need new builds even, we just need to resign the existing f43 ones and push them out. https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/12880 is the ticket

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:18:21

would someone like to take that on? happy to help... or if everyone else is busy I can just do it (although I am not sure I have the cisco upload thing, will have to look)

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:18:28

On this topic, last time I looked at this it seemed like the patents were about to expire in late 2025 but it was kinda obscure, I wasn't sure. It would be nice to find out the legal situation.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:19:36

no, they aren't.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:19:55

well, not all of them, or enough of them or whatever

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:19:56

Will they be at some point soonish? Do you know more about it?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:20:14

I don't think so. Last I heard there are longer ones... but I can't recall the details.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:20:27

legal will let us know if it ever happens. ;)

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:21:41

we definitely shouldn't just wait and break everyone.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:21:47

I could hypothetically deal with that ticket as I've done it before, maybe.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:22:10

That would be great if you could. I'm happy to help/look at / answer questions

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:22:15

I think we got the sop up to date?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:22:18

It'll likely drag on for weeks or possibly months until it's actually published.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:22:48

Yeah, relatively up to date, should be, yeah.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:23:10

well, not fully tho

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:23:22

last time they gave us a upload site/info to upload to.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:23:26

not email

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:23:49

How do you mean?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:24:15

I mean, they gave us some site to litterally upload the signed files to instead of us having to try and send them email.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:24:32

`Send an e-mail to the list informing Cisco that the RPMs are ready. In return, Cisco will send a URL to a website where the tarball can be uploaded.`

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:24:32

This is what the SOP says:

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:24:52

The upload link was in response to an email, at least so I believe.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:25:28

my understanding is that that is now wrong and we should use the upload site.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:26:03

"the cisco cloud storage link"

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:26:29

Give me a sec, looking through emails...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:27:14

we can also sort it outside of meeting...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:27:22

just wanted to make sure we get it done before final freeze.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:27:58

As in, actually get it published?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:28:21

yes?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:28:34

Based on previous experiences I'd say that's not very likely.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:28:43

if we don't f44 will release without it entirely and people will get pretty anoyed.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:28:54

Cisco still has to publish the RPMs after we upload them, right?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:28:59

well, we can try...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:29:17

yep.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:30:02

Since the ticket you linked is about a missing branch that's no longer missing, let me open a new ticket, close this one and assign myself.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:30:04

oh hum. Just occured to me that we do have to have new builds. :(

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:30:33

if you like, sure.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:31:16

I can look at doing the builds.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:31:53

got a cat yelling at me. It's like he has a wrist watch...

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:31:54

We need new builds then? Why? And why did you originally believe we didn't?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:32:20

And are the people who used to do them gone?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:33:19

Can't say I blame them if they are.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:34:40

The process of getting the RPMs published has been about as smooth as 24-grit sandpaper. 🤣

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:38:05

I have two quick things to bring up

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:38:19

Go for it.

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:38:20

if we are done with the previous one?

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:38:56

https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/13246#issuecomment-575341

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:39:08

there is a branch that is created from f42 which has a build

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:39:34

but the deletion branch since it's forked from that also has that build, and the script says not safe to delete

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:40:14

but i think we can

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:40:18

just needed to ask

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:42:43

if we do we should fix the script to say it's ok. fesco approved us removing branched when the script says we can.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:42:57

so either we don't do it, or someone fixes the script to allow it.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:43:01

IMHO

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:43:23

but yeah it is okay in general to delete it

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:44:03

yeah I'll look into updating the script

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:44:08

For openh264, I didn't think we needed new builds because the fc43 one works fine for 44/45... however, cisco has a flat namespace, and each one of those should be signed by a different key, which we can't do with 1 filename. So we need builds. There is a maintainer, but he's busy... I can try and ask him, but just doing builds should be easy.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:44:52

well, I don't want us to ever get in a case where people start saying "oh no, ignore the approval script, just delete it for me". Thats not what fesco approved... and likely to result in doom

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:45:38

The entire point of the script was so that releng didn't have to try and figure out each case...

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:45:40

yeah it makes sense

<@jnsamyak:matrix.org>

15:46:09

script first and I'll try to see if there is a way I can leverage the forge action ryunnners to use it with it

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:47:20

well, running it isn't the hard part. ;) There must be a logic issue if it says it can't be deleted, but everyone else says it can

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:47:42

`Publish OpenH264 RPMs for F44 and F45`?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:47:42

So the ticket should be something like:

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:47:42

For OpenH264, will we need RPMs for Rawhide too?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:48:55

yep

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:49:02

we should do both.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:49:20

that way we will also be ahead for next branching and only will have to do f46 then

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:49:24

(the new rawhide)

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:51:32

https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/13269

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:52:58

OK, some 7 minutes to go.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:54:03

do we want to do a old ticket or two?

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:54:53

!topic Backlog refinement.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:54:53

!link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues?q=&type=all&sort=oldest&state=open&labels=&milestone=0&project=0&assignee=0&poster=0

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

15:55:38

!link https://forge.fedoraproject.org/releng/tickets/issues/7520

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:56:59

at this point we could perhaps give up and use symlinks...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:57:23

7 years ago some mirrors didn't handle them, but I suspect thats not really widespread anymore

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:57:42

but... in order to make those links, it would need to be in pungi? or some kind of post compose script...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:59:23

and I am not sure the orig reporter is around anymore.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:06

We're at time.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:24

I left it untouched so maybe we will get to it next time.

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:28

!info Thank you all for coming!

<@patrikp:matrix.org>

16:00:28

!endmeeting