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12:38:13 <mchua> #meetingname SIGCSE submissions
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12:38:23 <mchua> #topic BoF
12:38:26 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/SIGCSE_2012/BOF_Proposal
12:38:42 <mchua> #info the BoF online submission form iss ddownanathem
12:38:54 <mchua> #undo
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12:39:02 <mchua> #info the BoF online submission form is down at the moment
12:41:04 <mchua> I'm loading into a libreoffice document and seeing wordcounts and length, as we've got decent content in there.
12:43:21 <mchua> With no cutting, we're *just* over one page.
12:43:24 <mchua> Working on the abstract now.
12:45:08 <mchua> We are 749 characters for abstract, which is under the 800 character limit.
12:46:57 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/SIGCSE_2011/BOF_Proposal
12:47:03 <mchua> Looking at last year's accepted BoF.
13:00:23 <mchua> Aaah, now it's 935 characters.
13:00:25 * mchua cuts ruthlessly
13:03:48 <mchua> 874 characters, just a little more.
13:04:46 <mchua> 812!
13:06:27 <mchua> 799!
13:06:29 <mchua> HYAH!
13:48:57 <mchua> Okay, I think I have it.
13:49:25 <mchua> #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/SIGCSE_2012/BOF_Proposal
13:49:29 <mchua> should be done
13:49:31 <mchua> now to spam the list
14:28:40 <mchua> sdziallas_afk: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/SIGCSE_2012/BOF_Proposal
14:30:02 <sdziallas_afk> mchua: I saw. :)
14:30:42 <sdziallas_afk> mchua: I'm inclined to help out after straightening out the job thing and breakfast.
14:31:13 <sdziallas_afk> mchua: also, do we still want a panel of POSSE profs? or rather, can we? or is that pushing it and we can just incorporate it into the BoF?
14:32:01 <mchua> sdziallas: I'll upload a libreoffice doc and pdf and toss both to the TOS list, then it's all yours.
14:32:05 <mchua> I think it's ready for sending
14:32:10 <mchua> not necessarily perfect, but shippable
14:32:22 <mchua> sdziallas: as for panel of POSSE profs... BoF?
14:32:37 <mchua> I dunno, I'm trying to figure out whether I should scrap my planned SIGCSE paper on POSSE
14:32:49 * mchua straightens out thoughts more.
14:32:54 <mchua> So, we should (1) definitely ship the BoF.
14:33:11 <mchua> And then we have three options to pursue: panel, paper, workshop.
14:33:57 <mchua> Right now, I am *thinking* about scrapping the paper, and writing it over a longer period of time for a later gathering, because... I think it'll end up as a way better paper that way
14:34:36 <mchua> not just because it's really hard to turn a hacky draft into a decent paper in 18 hours, but also because as I was trying to write the paper a few weeks ago, I kept blanking
14:34:47 <mchua> on some stuff that I'm realizing (1) I'm picking up at an amazing rate in grad school now
14:35:02 <mchua> and (2) data we have yet to collect because this cohort *just* started their school year.
14:35:15 <mchua> basically, we only have stories from summer that are systematic -- school year experiences get really spotty
14:35:19 <sdziallas> mchua: well...
14:35:43 <sdziallas> mchua: I was going to suggest you tackle the paper and give Matt a call, and I tackle the workshop and give Heidi a call. :)
14:35:50 <mchua> I'm thinking that scrapping the paper and going for panel + workshop might be the best use of time, but...
14:36:18 <mchua> sdziallas: Well, let me ship that BoF to TOS first.
14:38:57 <sdziallas> mchua: i'll go and get breakfast & job straightened out, will be back.
14:40:23 <mchua> sdziallas: Okay -- it's on the TOS list now for when you get back.
14:40:34 <mchua> I gotta catch my bus to campus, have a meeting with one of my profs.
14:40:36 <mchua> But I'll be around.
14:40:57 <mchua> And looking at workshop/panel/paper requirements in the meantime again.
14:41:10 <mchua> #endmeeting