20:59:13 <kanarip> #startmeeting Spins SIG
20:59:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 19 20:59:13 2009 UTC.  The chair is kanarip. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:59:20 <kanarip> who's here?
20:59:22 * kanarip is
20:59:31 * nirik is
21:00:02 <kanarip> biertie, ping
21:00:07 <kanarip> cwickert, ping
21:00:16 <nirik> maxamillion: ping
21:00:21 <biertie> all: ping
21:00:26 <biertie> KageSenshi: pong
21:00:31 <biertie> gvd
21:00:32 <biertie> kanarip:
21:00:34 <biertie> pong
21:00:42 <cwickert> kanarip: pong
21:00:49 * cwickert is here
21:00:52 <kanarip> biertie, a ping does not *necessarily* require a pong ;-)
21:01:26 <biertie> blah blah blah
21:01:37 <kanarip> no bruno, as he mentioned on the mailing list
21:01:51 <kanarip> i hope his meeting is just running late and he's feeling well ;-)
21:01:59 <kanarip> let's get started
21:02:03 * huff in
21:02:06 <kanarip> first topic
21:02:17 <kanarip> #topic QA Test Spin Category
21:02:37 <kanarip> what is the category of the qa test spin going to be?
21:03:00 <nirik> category?
21:03:04 <maxamillion> ah
21:03:09 <maxamillion> nirik: pong
21:03:10 <maxamillion> sorry
21:03:16 * maxamillion is here
21:03:35 <maxamillion> silly $dayjob getting in the way of fedora meetings :P
21:03:40 <kanarip> well, i assume whether we want to keep it around in Spins_in_Development or whether we want to move it around each release
21:04:07 <kanarip> it's too bad bruno wasn't a little more verbose in his question, but i think that's what he meant
21:04:30 <kanarip> i feel like this is a permanent Spins_in_Development kinda spin, fwiw
21:04:42 <nirik> well, it's not being produced, but yeah... doesn't much matter I don't think.
21:05:03 <kanarip> so let's choose one and stick with it, how about that?
21:05:06 <biertie> nirik: I have the same opinion.. should we really care that much?
21:05:10 <biertie> kanarip: +1
21:05:14 <nirik> kanarip: +1 here
21:05:23 <kanarip> i say Spins_in_Development, who's with me?
21:05:33 <biertie> it's ok for me :)
21:05:41 <maxamillion> +1
21:05:45 <nirik> ok here.
21:05:55 <kanarip> #agreed The QA Test spin is in Category:Spins_in_Development
21:06:24 <kanarip> next topic on bruno's list is the contact address for the design team to notify them about dropped spins
21:06:45 <kanarip> #topic what's the contact address for the design team to notify them of approved and dropped spins?
21:06:54 <kanarip> i think that one is pretty easy...
21:07:16 <kanarip> i'm not even sure we should have a meeting topic about this kinda thing; fedora-design@lists.fedoraproject.org
21:07:29 <kanarip> any objections?
21:07:50 <biertie> haha
21:07:52 <biertie> no
21:07:58 <kanarip> cool
21:08:04 <biertie> or on irc, just bug mo ;-)
21:08:35 <kanarip> #agreed Design team method of contact through their mailing list when spins are approved or dropped
21:08:39 <maxamillion> I'm with kanarip
21:08:47 <kanarip> thanks maxamillion ;-)
21:08:54 <maxamillion> don't wanna bug mo too much, she's already got a lot going on :)
21:09:00 <kanarip> then, the Revisor build failures
21:09:09 <kanarip> #topic Revisor daily respin build failures
21:09:16 <kanarip> this is mine to answer for
21:09:29 <kanarip> i suck at administering my own computing environment
21:09:32 <kanarip> there, i said it
21:09:42 <brunowolff> I am still not great, but the previous meeting helped suppress some symptoms so I thought I 'd participate.
21:10:22 <kanarip> additionally, $girlfriend consumes the only x86_64 machine i have, and in the end she does use and treat it as a desktop (not as a server)
21:10:28 <brunowolff> On the build failures, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't my stuff that was broken.
21:10:35 <biertie> hope you get better soon brunowolff =)
21:10:37 <brunowolff> My test builds are working.
21:10:48 <kanarip> nope, it's entirely my thing
21:10:52 <brunowolff> It's most likely caffeine withdrawl.
21:10:55 <nirik> you can also check against the nightly composes.
21:11:08 <nirik> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/
21:11:20 <kanarip> ^^ +1
21:11:28 <brunowolff> I am going to bookmark that.
21:12:08 <nirik> I've been bad about mailing when those fail. ;(
21:12:11 <maxamillion> totally random side note, has anyone noticed that if you spin/remix an image and only have openbox installed without an alternative that gdm just constantly crashes and restarts itself infinitely?
21:12:13 <nirik> should try and do so more.
21:12:24 <maxamillion> (the nightly composes made me think of it)
21:12:29 <kanarip> nirik, speaking about nightly composes...
21:12:41 <cwickert> maxamillion: there already is a bug for that, momol
21:12:50 <maxamillion> cwickert: ah, awesome ... thanks :)
21:12:54 <kanarip> could you have infrastructure set .log to be forced mime type plain text?
21:13:12 <brunowolff> I think I saw that a year or so ago when there was a conflict with gdm.
21:13:20 <nirik> kanarip: yeah, was meaning to look at that, but never did. Will note to do so.
21:13:42 <cwickert> maxamillion: .bug 483497
21:13:43 <buggbot> Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=483497 urgent, high, ---, jmccann, NEW, removing gnome-session-xsession causes GDM to hang
21:14:05 <kanarip> #action nirik to ask infra to make .log plaintext (forcibly, if possible, and all that)
21:14:33 <nirik> kanarip: it's due to some of them having binary stuff in them, so apache autodetects and decides they are binary. :(
21:14:43 <maxamillion> cwickert: ah, you are a saint and a scholar
21:14:50 <maxamillion> cwickert: many thanks
21:15:00 <kanarip> nirik, yeah, same with `less`
21:15:10 <cwickert> maxamillion: you will need to edit /etc/sysconfig/desktop as we do in xfce's ks
21:16:08 <maxamillion> cwickert: right
21:16:18 * kanarip motions for open floor
21:16:35 <brunowolff> You should be able to set the content type based on name patterns.
21:17:13 <maxamillion> cwickert: http://www.fpaste.org/oUE4/ <--- already am, but gdm still fails
21:17:23 * maxamillion seconds kanarip's motion
21:17:29 <huff> I wanted to check the status of the AOS spin
21:17:36 <kanarip> #topic Open Floor
21:17:37 <huff> As far as I knew it was on track until I saw an email thread on the list from Jeremy saying it was a no go?
21:17:50 <huff> what is the status and what needs to be done
21:17:58 <kanarip> huff, i'm not sure what went wrong there either
21:18:11 <kanarip> we have it on our list as approved and handed over to rel-eng
21:18:24 <kanarip> too bad f13 isn't here now... :/
21:19:25 <huff> so from the latest from the email it looks like its not going to make it can that be confirmed?
21:19:35 <huff> i guess b/c its not in alpha
21:20:01 <kanarip> it's actually release engineering's doing
21:20:12 <nirik> I thought only a subset was done for alpha/beta, but all the approved ones should be done for final?
21:20:20 <nim-nim> nirik: no it's due to some of them having non-ASCII UTF-8 in them and Apache living in the ASCII stone-age
21:20:33 <nirik> nim-nim: ah. Is there any easy fix?
21:20:56 <mmcgrath> huff: you talking about the beta spins?
21:21:01 * mmcgrath saw these spins - http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/12-Beta-RC2/
21:21:07 <mmcgrath> I'm not sure if that's all of them or not
21:21:13 <nim-nim> nirik: stop pretending you can detect if stuff is plain text by checking ASCII ranges
21:21:23 <kanarip> mmcgrath, we're wondering wtf happened to the approved AOS spin?
21:21:47 * mmcgrath checks a more canonical location
21:22:23 <nirik> huh... just saw that Xfce isn't on: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Spins_Fedora_12
21:22:27 <mmcgrath> kanarip: I don't see it.  We'll have to wait for Oxf13, maybe it had build problems or got left off the checklist?
21:22:32 <kanarip> i'm thinking of joining rel-eng just to compose spins, gheghe
21:22:58 <kanarip> mmcgrath, we've had no notification of any failure we would have needed to look at so i'm assuming it's something else
21:23:05 <mmcgrath> <nod>
21:23:17 <huff> mmcgrath: no from jesse's email "We haven't done AOS for any of the milestones for F12, and I haven't
21:23:20 <huff> seen any chatter or comment from David in a while.  Are we still doing
21:23:20 <mmcgrath> I do know the box he's been building on has very little disk space, which has been an issue.  We're working on upgrading now.
21:23:22 <huff> this spin?"
21:23:39 <mmcgrath> ah
21:24:30 <nirik> AOS composes differently doesn't it? or does it just use livecd-tools, etc?
21:24:49 <huff> nirik: no it requires appliance-tools
21:25:03 <huff> currently, well for F10 and F11 thats how we did it
21:25:17 <nirik> huff: if you can mail me a compose script I can look at adding it to the nightly-composes.
21:25:37 <huff> nirik: sure think I dig it up tongiht
21:25:45 <Oxf13> hrm, I made an XFCE
21:25:55 <Oxf13> the only thing I didn't make was AOS
21:26:03 <mmcgrath> <nod> I see an XFCE
21:26:09 <nirik> Oxf13: yeah, I just saw it wasn't on the approved f12 spins page.
21:26:15 <nirik> huff: kevin@tummy.com
21:26:18 <Oxf13> nirik: interesting.
21:26:23 <nirik> which it should be. ;(
21:26:25 <brunowolff> I think the issue with XFCE is that it's spin page isn't the correct category.
21:26:36 <kanarip> biertie, is that your doing?
21:26:50 <maxamillion> brunowolff: how so?
21:29:01 <nirik> yeah, it got munged somehow to not be in the right categories.
21:29:03 <biertie> kanarip: no...
21:29:18 <biertie> I haven't touched any category for as far as I know..
21:29:34 <kanarip> and maybe that's just the thing
21:29:44 <nirik> we can fix that up. No need to prolong the meeting over it.
21:29:53 <brunowolff> It doesn't show up in the category list.
21:30:05 <brunowolff> I am not sure why yet. Maybe it's a typo.
21:30:16 <kanarip> please verify https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Spins_Fedora_12
21:30:24 <kanarip> and see if there's anything missing
21:30:47 <nirik> that looks correct to me.
21:31:00 <kanarip> I've just verified nothing else is in the queue either, but for the QA Spin
21:31:08 <brunowolff> Maybe I am just confused.
21:31:21 <kanarip> which we just agreed, brunowolff, we keep in Spins_in_Development
21:31:21 <brunowolff> I thought I didn't see it, but now I do.
21:31:27 <biertie> lolz :D
21:31:31 <biertie> but it seems ok for me
21:33:44 <kanarip> alright
21:33:55 <kanarip> anything else?
21:34:09 <nirik> kanarip: can you do a #meetingname spins-sig ?
21:34:21 <nirik> (want to test something and now is as good a time as any :)
21:34:38 <kanarip> #meetingname spins-sig
21:34:38 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'spins-sig'
21:34:53 <cwickert> kanarip: when is spin compose freeze? are we allowed to do changes after beta, e.g. new/different packages?
21:35:00 <nirik> I don't have any other spins business off hand.
21:35:51 <brunowolff> We have to be able to since stuff can dropped from f12 at the last second, such as with blobAndConquer
21:37:05 <kanarip> cwickert, all packages that are tagged f12-final make up the final spin
21:37:26 <kanarip> cwickert, the freezes to the git repo are the same as freezes to rawhide composes
21:37:33 <Oxf13> (unless they get untagged before we release)
21:37:40 <cwickert> I know, but am I allowed to change the package selection after beta?
21:39:28 <kanarip> Oxf13, that's included in "what is tagged f12-final makes up the final spin" but thanks for clarifying
21:40:09 <kanarip> cwickert, you are just as much as you are allowed to add new dependencies to old packages and have them tagged f12-final
21:40:17 <cwickert> ok, fine
21:41:14 <kanarip> ok, anything else?
21:41:33 <nirik> Oxf13: have alpha/snap/beta composes been easier this cycle?
21:41:49 <Oxf13> yeah, very little disruptions
21:41:54 <nirik> (ie, not failing for you at the last min, etc?)
21:42:20 <kanarip> nice, that's good to know
21:42:34 <nirik> cool.
21:43:06 <kanarip> i feel like f12 development overall has been a little less disruptive altogether but that might just be me
21:44:08 <brunowolff> 3D Graphics, mdraid and encrypted partitions have had issues.
21:44:46 <kanarip> not as much rapid changes as previous releases through
21:44:55 <nirik> dracut and livecd-tools have had their share too. ;(
21:46:40 <kanarip> i've the feeling i've had less rawhide crap ruin my day every day then previous release cycles
21:46:44 <kanarip> either way, does anyone else have anything?
21:46:51 <biertie> nope
21:46:55 <nirik> nada
21:47:05 <brunowolff> I'm ready to go home.
21:47:10 * kanarip motions to close the meeting in 5
21:48:11 * kanarip motions to close the meeting in 4, 3, 2...
21:48:22 <kanarip> (let's not do the warp thing anymore)
21:48:31 <biertie> lol
21:48:55 * kanarip closes the meeting
21:48:57 <kanarip> #endmeeting