20:58:47 <brunowolff> #startmeeting spins-sig
20:58:47 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Aug 16 20:58:47 2010 UTC.  The chair is brunowolff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:58:52 * nirik is here.
20:59:04 <brunowolff> #meetingname spins-sig
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20:59:18 <brunowolff> #topic Who's here?
20:59:27 * brunowolff is here.
21:00:12 <brunowolff> Side note - I am using a different IRC client today and possibly could be slow or mess up due to this.
21:00:28 <brunowolff> #topic trac admin
21:00:54 <brunowolff> I didn't see a message from kanarip, but I notice that both nirik and I have
21:01:12 <brunowolff> admin access to the spin-kickstarts trac instance.
21:01:27 <brunowolff> At some point I'll get updated milestones created.
21:01:52 <brunowolff> What is generally policy for old milestones? Just leave them or can they be deleted?
21:02:01 <nirik> I would say leave them for history.
21:02:07 <brunowolff> Ok.
21:03:02 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will create updated milestones in the spin-kickstarts trac instance and leave the old ones around.
21:03:22 <brunowolff> #topic Pushing livecd-tools 033-2 to F13 and F12?
21:03:41 <brunowolff> Any reason I shouldn't pust livecd-tools 033-2 to F13 and F12?
21:04:00 <nirik> sounds ok to me, as long as they get karma/etc...
21:04:07 <brunowolff> With a fixed squashfs-tools 4.0 and that, people should be able to make livecds
21:04:11 <nirik> would allow people to make f14/rawhide images.
21:04:14 <brunowolff> for f14 on those systems.
21:04:45 <brunowolff> Yeah, I wasn't going to rush it out of testing. It just that its more than just
21:05:03 <brunowolff> bug fixes, but I was hoping not to have to split stuff out.
21:05:35 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will get 033-2 out for F13 and f12 to enable use with F14 repo.
21:05:37 <nirik> as long as it's not changing the interface or the like in an incomptible way I think it should be ok.
21:06:05 <brunowolff> I don't believe so; though some new things were added.
21:06:21 <brunowolff> #topic nightly build status?
21:06:35 <nirik> lets see...
21:06:43 <brunowolff> I know games is broken waiting on Wesnoth to move to updates, but how are other spins doing/
21:06:59 <nirik> everything else is composing.
21:07:08 * nirik doublechecks.
21:07:27 <brunowolff> I am guessing that once we get an RC accepted the freeze on moving stuff to updates
21:07:44 <brunowolff> will be lifted and the Wesnoth update is likely to be available in time.
21:08:02 <brunowolff> Though I may need to bug some more people to give it + karma.
21:08:03 <nirik> yeah.
21:08:13 <nirik> there's going to be a flood of stable updates.
21:08:55 <brunowolff> #info Most spins are OK. Games is waiting on Wesnoth, but will probably be OK in time.
21:09:29 <brunowolff> #topic Some place to put development ks files?
21:09:44 <nirik> do we need such a place?
21:09:51 <brunowolff> The Music spin guys asked about someplace to do shared development of their ks
21:10:10 <brunowolff> file in advance of it being approved. It seems to me that there should be
21:10:17 <brunowolff> a place for that kind of thing.
21:10:34 <nirik> humm...
21:10:36 * nirik ponders.
21:10:47 <brunowolff> I think expecting people to provide their own shared space is a bigger hurdle
21:11:09 <brunowolff> than need be. If it was just one person they can pretty easily handle updates.
21:11:11 <nirik> well, ks files are pretty small.
21:11:32 <nirik> a fedorapeople space would work, except permissions of all the people involved could be no good.
21:12:14 <brunowolff> Even for the spin-kickstarts gitrepo we'd need to give all of the relevant
21:12:17 <nirik> I don't think we really want to add a bunch of people to spings git.
21:12:29 <brunowolff> developers access before their spin was approved.
21:12:58 <nirik> yeah.
21:12:59 <brunowolff> Maybe they could just use a wiki page with the source?
21:13:09 <nirik> yeah, you can attach as well...
21:13:23 <nirik> I wonder if there are free git sites that would work? github?
21:14:00 <brunowolff> github would probably work, but might be overkill.
21:14:48 <nirik> yeah.
21:15:08 <brunowolff> It seems like we don't want to give out spin-kickstarts access in advance.
21:15:27 <nirik> I don't think we do.
21:15:30 <brunowolff> I think I'll suggest wiki for preapproval if shared update access is needed and
21:15:38 <brunowolff> the team doesn't have anything else.
21:15:55 <nirik> ok
21:16:17 <brunowolff> #agreed New spin teams should not get spin-kickstarts access before their spin is approved by the Spins SIG.
21:17:00 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will add a note for new spins about using the wiki for shared update location if needed.
21:17:28 <nirik> sounds good.
21:17:45 <brunowolff> #topic When to change repos in ks files?
21:18:20 <brunowolff> The repos need to get changed between branch and rawhide, once each per dev cycle.
21:18:25 <fenris02> the music spin is a disaster still.
21:18:34 <brunowolff> Do you have good feelings when we should be doing this?
21:19:00 <nirik> I'd be find changing them at branch time + at release time
21:20:31 <brunowolff> OK. I'll work with that. There is some interaction between our branch and this.
21:20:57 <nirik> the nightly compose script just seds the files as needed.
21:21:13 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will write up a repo adjustment proposal for review in a later meeting.
21:21:19 <brunowolff> #topic testing
21:21:47 <brunowolff> I haven't gotten any further here. I got sick after geting back from my trip
21:21:54 <brunowolff> and am still behind on stuff.
21:22:03 <nirik> bummer. ;( Hope you're feeling better...
21:22:15 <brunowolff> I'm mostly better now.
21:22:29 <brunowolff> I still plan to have it done by beta.
21:22:48 <brunowolff> #topic livecd-tools devel more active lately
21:23:04 <nirik> yeah, noticed that... good news. ;)
21:23:15 <brunowolff> I think you have probably noticed, but others might not. It seems that livecd-tools
21:23:39 <brunowolff> is getting more development effort lately. Jasper is particularly enthusiastic.
21:24:38 <brunowolff> #topic Did anything important happen while brunowolff was on vacation?
21:24:51 <nirik> I tried to hold meetings, but not much happened. ;(
21:24:53 <brunowolff> Is there anything I need to know from when I was on vacation?
21:25:08 <brunowolff> I tried to follow a few things.
21:25:18 <nirik> adamw provided a patch to fix xdriver= handling.
21:25:54 <nirik> also he fixed firstboot on live media
21:26:05 <nirik> I  fixed mandb / makewhatis.
21:26:08 <adamw> note i haven't tested if it works post-installation, because i can't install a test live instance; kvm fails with vesa.
21:26:17 <brunowolff> Did those all get committed?
21:26:23 <nirik> brunowolff: yep.
21:26:27 <adamw> i don't actually know what code path is supposed to get hit to ensure post-install configuration is right if you boot live with xdriver=foobar and then install.
21:27:02 <brunowolff> Getting an 034 livecd-tools out soon is high on my list of things to do.
21:27:46 <brunowolff> There was enough interest in getting some fixes in 033, that I am still going to
21:28:16 <brunowolff> push that tonight. But I'll also get the next release in F13 and F12 testing.
21:28:57 <brunowolff> #topic Open
21:29:15 * jsmith just wants to add a quick "Keep up the good work!"
21:29:21 <brunowolff> I think that I covered everything I wanted to go over today from the Agenda.
21:29:30 * nirik doesn't have anything further today.
21:29:47 <brunowolff> Just remember doing this good work is keeping me from doing other good work.
21:29:57 <nirik> thanks jsmith, although it's all brunowolff, IMHO. ;)
21:29:58 <brunowolff> I am still hoping to get replaced.
21:30:19 <jsmith> brunowolff: That's the Fedora way -- train your replacements :-)
21:30:27 * jsmith hopes to get replaced as well
21:30:38 <fenris02> jsmith, hah.  so who are you training now? :)
21:31:13 <jsmith> fenris02: The real question is "*How many* are you training now?"
21:31:39 <brunowolff> Well I don't think spins is actively training anyone. I am trying to get some
21:31:55 <brunowolff> better documentation to help with training new volunteers.
21:32:23 <brunowolff> We need a charismatic leader instead of a cynical that would rather be doing more coding.
21:33:40 <brunowolff> That sounds like the end of today's meeting.
21:34:04 <nirik> thanks for running things brunowolff
21:34:06 <brunowolff> nirik: Thanks for continuing to provide techincal and moral support.
21:34:25 <brunowolff> #action brunowolff will send out meeting notes.
21:34:33 <brunowolff> #endmeeting