04:06:52 #startmeeting 04:06:52 Meeting started Mon Nov 9 04:06:52 2009 UTC. The chair is mchua. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:06:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:28:36 mchua: yeah, trying to get transbot up. it quit with an error. is it useful, or is the translation too bad? 04:28:47 if it's useful, I'll try to keep it going 04:31:20 .en 04:31:57 ^ just telling transbot what language is used here 04:32:24 please let me know if transbot0 is helpful or not 04:34:08 transbot0 has been kicked by gin0 04:43:20 * ctyler gets transbot0 running again 04:43:31 testing... 04:44:48 configured transbot to respawn if it fails 04:53:21 SCLew has disconnected 04:54:29 mchua: I'm going to bed, if transbot0 is useful, it should stay in the channel. If it is not useful and you want to get rid of it, I think you can just ban it from the channel. I just set it to 60 second between reconnects in case you do need to ban it. 04:59:15 liangsuilong has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:00:51 tiansworld has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:10:48 tiansworld has disconnected 05:13:38 tiansworld has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:16:29 tira has disconnected 05:16:43 The amazing Chris Tyler has gotten transbot up between this channel and #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:17:57 Is the translation good? 05:24:25 nop :p 05:24:37 #link http://fpaste.org 05:24:44 #link http://pastebin.org 05:25:23 hers> mchua ~ # link get translated too 05:27:08 mchua> hers: huh, interesting! 05:29:13 Kaio has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:29:20 testing 05:29:49 hello 05:30:04 h e l l o 05:30:17 can paste the URL here? 05:30:20 http://fpaste.org/sV3Z/ 05:30:23 mchua, look at that ^^ 05:31:15 http://fpaste.org 05:31:18 http://pastebin.org 05:31:36 What is IRC? 05:31:38 Internet Relay Chat 05:31:45 zhangxinyi has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:31:47 This is the original chatting mechanism between people. 05:32:05 IRC lets multiple people talk at once. 05:32:22 sorry I am still reading the website about POSSE 05:32:27 liangsuilong has disconnected 05:32:31 The challenge we have in this classroom is that there is a certain port that you usually use to connect to IRC, which is port 6667. 05:32:36 Unfortunately, it's been blocked here at NYP. 05:32:37 yipch has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:32:44 So that is why we are currently using the webchat version of IRC. 05:33:06 So the question was "can I see history?" 05:33:13 the answer is "usually, yes, but not with webchat" 05:33:20 however, we've been logging these channels, so you can read those logs 05:33:49 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource-posse 05:33:55 #link meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:34:03 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-zh 05:34:10 #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:35:58 martz927 has disconnected 05:36:27 YeLong has disconnected 05:38:09 hey everyone, we made a channel 05:38:16 you might want to /join #nyp-sg 05:39:22 yipch has quit #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:42:02 #info DELIVERABLE 1: your first post to the posse-apac mailing list 05:42:03 #link http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/posse-apac 05:43:46 bel5f51 has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 05:44:28 hers> English words, we have http://groups.google.com/group/fedora-cn mailing list 05:45:52 hers> (not an official one, but many fedora contributors do appear there) 05:46:11 #link http://planet.fedoraproject.org 05:46:16 http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ 05:46:20 YeLong has disconnected 05:46:21 #link http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Planet 05:47:17 history 05:57:34 knock knock 05:59:34 Questions? 05:59:50 #info DELIVERABLE #2: Blog post to a Planet (either Fedora or Teaching Open Source) 06:00:01 Can the blog on planet be created by the owner? 06:00:02 bel5f5 has disconnected 06:00:06 tira: yes. 06:00:09 test 06:00:14 tira: you can make everything except for your own wiki page. 06:00:18 done with mailing list 06:00:22 now for blog post 06:00:23 martz927: great! 06:00:28 wiki page must be created by someone else? 06:01:01 #info DELIVERABLE #3: A user page on either the TOS or Fedora wiki, *but* you can't edit it yourself, you need to get someone on IRC to make it for you. 06:01:11 tira: Yep. 06:01:16 Kaio> Test 06:01:39 I' 06:01:44 Whoops. Typo. 06:02:34 tinyurl.com 06:02:41 to create shortened urls 06:02:48 a 06:02:48 a 06:02:48 a 06:02:49 a 06:02:50 a 06:02:50 a 06:02:51 d 06:02:52 g 06:03:04 Ask lots of questions here. :) Keep us updated. 06:03:11 YeLong has disconnected 06:03:15 Who's working on setting up a blog? 06:03:29 YeLong_ has disconnected 06:05:03 what we suppose to do in pt 2? 06:06:07 Who's working on deliverable #2? 06:06:14 I am 06:06:14 Long has disconnected 06:06:16 And who needs to make a blog? 06:06:20 I do 06:06:25 I 06:06:25 Great. :) 06:06:26 mchua : can you please help in setting up a blogg? 06:06:30 I 06:06:39 Yep. I'm going to be walking people through setting up a blog here. 06:06:54 We'll be using Wordpress. 06:07:30 I am a fedora packager, might be I could help? 06:07:36 hers> Chinese blog, then you can blogbus.com register, or yo2.cn the like, can be used to export RSS 06:08:15 Kaio: Yes! We won't be doing packaging today, but we're getting people started with their Fedora accounts - getting blogs on Planet, getting user pages on the wiki (for which they'll have to join their first group) 06:08:29 Okay, so people making blogs: I'm going to walk you through making one on http://wordpress.com first 06:08:35 and then we will talk about other alternatives that you can use. 06:08:54 so if you're making a blog right now, head over to http://wordpress.com 06:09:12 And click the "sign up now" button 06:09:25 mchua☺ ok, how long does posse last? 06:09:38 Kaio: till friday this week 06:09:49 okay, mostly at day time? 06:09:58 Kaio: Yes, Singapore daytime. 06:10:00 Kaio: yes GMT+8 06:10:30 I am at +10 06:10:39 Great, that's not too far off. 06:10:58 .fas Kaio 06:10:58 mchua: cchance '' - kaio '' - kaiomarcio 'kaio marcio' 06:11:09 .fas mchua 06:11:09 mchua: mchua 'Mel Chua' 06:11:11 Kaio: nice to meet you :) 06:11:22 mchua☺ nice to meet you colleague :) 06:11:33 .fas harishpillay 06:11:33 harish-upfront: harishpillay 'Harish Pillay' 06:11:43 .fas 06:11:45 tira: (fas ) -- Search the Fedora Account System usernames, full names, and email addresses for a match. 06:11:53 .fas azneita 06:11:53 azneita: azneita 'Heherson Pagcaliwagan' 06:12:19 the translation in the another channel is too funny 06:12:28 Kaio: I bet. Google translate is hilarious sometimes. :D 06:12:37 Okay, blog-making folks, how are you doing? 06:12:52 .fas mchua 06:12:53 tira: mchua 'Mel Chua' 06:12:56 here is my profile - http://fpaste.org/xiQw/ 06:13:13 u can use this to update my wiki page 06:13:13 When you're making a wordpress.com account, you want to use the "give me a blog" option 06:13:26 martz927: now you just need to persuade someone in this channel to work with you and do it :) 06:13:45 anyone here working on their user page, and want to pair up with martz927? ^^^ 06:14:33 Kaio has quit #teachingopensource-posse-zh 06:14:41 Jaric has disconnected 06:14:54 For amusement, here's my first blog post for POSSE: http://blog.melchua.com/2009/11/08/posse-apac-day-0-whats-up-and-how-can-we-deploy-multilingual-awesome/ 06:14:59 martz927~ I can do that for you 06:15:08 jasonchong has disconnected 06:15:38 People making blogs! Notice that you can make blogs in Chinese on wordpress, too. 06:15:39 #link http://zh.wordpress.com/signup/ 06:15:47 .fas martz927 06:15:47 hers: 'martz927' Not Found! 06:16:05 IMPORTANT: If you are lost at *any* point, TELL US! Ask questions here. Otherwise we won't know. 06:16:14 huh? 06:16:15 hers, martz927: that's because martz927 hasn't yet created a Fedora account 06:16:22 mchua~ I'd suggest to use blogbus.com or yo2.cn for Chinese people because wordpress is blocked in china. thanks to GFW. 06:16:26 hold on 06:16:33 hers: Yikes. Thanks. 06:16:45 hers☺ how about blogspot? 06:16:57 I've found blogspot to be blocked in China too. 06:17:14 mchua☺ very bad then 06:17:22 livejournal.com is blocked in China as well. 06:17:58 GFW = Great China Firewall 06:17:59 We'll keep doing this until the hour, and then take a short break to check in (in person) on how everyone is doing. 06:18:04 Great Firewall of China. 06:18:16 hey harish-upfront, want to trade wiki user pages? ;) 06:18:23 * hers I use livejournal personally. long live LJ. 06:18:25 we can set a good example 06:18:29 where to register for fedora acct? 06:18:31 mchua: sure 06:18:35 do u guys get dc from here often? 06:18:45 I set up my wordpress on my private server. 06:18:46 jasonchong: dc? 06:18:52 disconnected 06:19:01 jasonchong: Oh - no, I haven't gotten disconnected yet. 06:19:08 dc == disconnected - not sure. 06:19:14 jasonchong: are you getting disconnected a lot? 06:19:27 harish-upfront: you're going to have to make an account on http://teachingopensource.posse 06:19:35 harish-upfront: on the wiki, I mean 06:19:37 harish-upfront: mine is Mchua 06:20:02 (bloggers, how are you doing? When you have a blog up, and a first post, then we can get you all hooked into planet) 06:20:03 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/user/new 06:20:40 martz927: you found it! 06:23:32 harish-upfront: let me know when you have an account 06:24:15 martz927: did you find someone to work with on the user page? 06:25:20 mchua~ do you mean a User:HomePage? what's the account name it will be? 06:25:50 not yet 06:25:54 fedora acct is martynyap 06:25:59 shld be up alrdy 06:26:42 hers: ^^ martz927 is working to make his - the catch for the assignment is that they have to make user pages, *but* they're not allowed to edit their own page 06:26:44 .fas martynyap 06:26:44 hers: 'martynyap' Not Found! 06:26:55 hers: it's designed to force everyone to learn how to collaborate on IRC ;) 06:27:00 hmmmz 06:27:02 hers: ^^ martz927 is working to make his - the catch for the assignment is that they have to make user pages, *but* they're not allowed to edit their own page 06:27:19 ok.. then if anyone need help, I can lend a hand 06:27:20 done with blog n fedora account: chongwk wat else? 06:27:21 hm, I wonder where zodbot gets its data from - there might be a time delay in syncing 06:27:32 jasonchong: do you have a blog post on Planet Fedora? 06:27:49 jasonchong, martz927: the next step is to get your blog on Planet Fedora (and/or on Planet TOS) 06:27:59 im stil on earth. how to get to planet f? 06:28:05 hers> This translation really terrible 06:28:41 jasonchong, martz927: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet_HowTo may help 06:29:25 jasonchong, martz927: I found it by going down to the very bottom of the left sidebar, there is an "add your blog" link 06:29:30 yipch has disconnected 06:30:01 jasonchong, martz927: there is also a similar link somewhere on http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Planet 06:30:07 but I won't tell you where it is ;) 06:30:14 agreeing to some CLA now 06:30:14 http://teachingopensource.com/index.php/User:Azneita 06:31:07 fyi, ports 22 and 6667 is opened 06:31:40 please test it 06:31:43 done 06:32:23 jaric: testing 06:32:38 CanoeBerry has disconnected 06:32:56 my profile can be updated now - http://fpaste.org/xiQw/ 06:33:01 my profile can be updated now - http://fpaste.org/xiQw/ 06:33:08 martz927: link to blog post? 06:33:17 soon 06:33:44 martz927: it probably won't show up on the Planet until later today, or possibly until your second post, by the way; it sometimes takes an hour or so for Planet to catch up 06:33:55 martz927: I'm not sure exactly how often it syncs, but you could ask in the #fedora-admin channel if you want to find out 06:34:07 martz927: that's where the Fedora Infrastructure team (our volunteer sysadmins) hang out 06:34:12 they are extremely cool. 06:34:32 so we skip it? 06:35:42 planet.teachingopensource.org takes 24 hrs to get a feed in I think. 06:35:56 martz927: Well, you can mark yourself on the whiteboard as *probably* having completed the blog exercise, but we'll have to check tomorrow to see if everyone's gotten a post to show up ;) 06:36:27 martz927: but yeah, if you think you are on Planet Fedora or on Planet TOS now (getting on Planet TOS is really easy; you might as well do both) you can move on to do something else 06:36:43 k 06:36:45 martz927: it sounded like hers is willing to help out with your user page stuff 06:37:05 Folks making blogs: how are we doing? 06:37:06 thanks! 06:37:13 mchua: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Roll_Call to add me please 06:37:25 sign up, what's next? 06:37:35 harish-upfront: you can add yourself if you make a wiki account, which you'll need to have a user page anyway. 06:37:42 jaric: what are you trying to do? 06:38:00 jaric: still can't get on irc via port 6667 (using xchat) - any way you'd recommend to test it? 06:38:01 which site to create wiki account? 06:38:27 will let pohyee knows 6667 not working 06:38:39 jaric: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki or http://teachingopensource.org - one or the other or both 06:38:53 jaric: (though after you do one, the second one takes almost no time at all - it's pretty much the same thing - and it's good to have both) 06:39:02 cool, thankyou mel 06:39:03 jaric: I'd probably do the Fedora one first 06:39:05 fwiw 06:39:23 mchua: http://fpaste.org/ubBV/ 06:39:25 azneita: Oh hey, Heherson, I'm going to be in Manila this weekend 06:39:43 (and on Monday and Tuesday) 06:40:56 tira: phone number is for future voice capabilities 06:41:12 harish-upfront: and Fedora Talk? 06:41:20 mchua: yes 06:41:23 harish-upfront: I've never actually used Fedora Talk, since I can't hear 06:41:38 so I don't actually know how it works, but if it's something that would be good to demo at some point, I'm game 06:41:53 harish-upfront: what username? 06:42:20 now folks, look up on the screen. i am trying to run x-chat which is another tool to do IRC, but I cannot connect due to port 6667 not being opened up for us. 06:43:20 * mchua looks 06:43:53 hmm 06:44:05 any1 run the ssh and succeed? wat did i missed ssh accountname@fedorapeople.org 06:44:20 u need to generate yr ssh keys 06:44:27 i think 06:44:32 how 06:44:42 ssh-keygen -t rsa 06:44:56 jasonchong: port 22 is blocked. 06:45:06 nice ^^ 06:45:16 so we skip it? 06:45:17 annoying i'd say. 06:45:20 yes for now. 06:45:35 yea nice=annoying lol 06:46:00 I will get my 3g network going but because all the other machines are wired, it is not going to be helpful. 06:46:26 i can hack the network to make the route to go through a wired machine which has the 3g dongle. 06:46:32 -.-' 06:46:54 point the default route to a machine in the lab that has the 3g routing setup. let me work on this. 06:47:44 i got the 3g dongle 06:47:51 but i cannot auth 06:49:47 harish: still need your TOS wiki username, so can haz put userpage stuff in 06:50:22 ssh-keygen -t rsa 06:50:59 .fas martynyap 06:50:59 hers: 'martynyap' Not Found! 06:51:08 still dont have? 06:51:11 jaric has disconnected 06:51:16 martz927~ still not signed the CLA I believe 06:51:23 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Martynyap 06:51:31 harish has disconnected 06:51:34 i signed already = ] 06:51:43 In about 10 minutes we'll come together and take a break and see how everyone is doing 06:51:47 ok, see that. 06:51:52 and get a chance to stretch our legs and rest our fingers too 06:55:34 i upload the id_rsa.pub for which acct? 06:55:40 my username or root? 07:03:38 martz927~ I don't see others as active as you, why? 07:04:01 hmmmz ... coz there are 9 pple left? 07:04:02 haha 07:04:10 alan-san 07:04:13 zodbot has disconnected 07:04:14 u're here 07:04:32 well, you are active since the very beginning, when playing the nick switch game 07:04:48 update your task status here http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AsveKEJesg4udE1sM0xQM1hKdVZxXzYtMlYzSUZVS1E&hl=en_GB 07:05:26 anyway i reg my nick already 07:05:31 its martz927 07:05:33 hehe 07:07:08 pohyee-cheong has disconnected 07:07:18 CanoeBerry__ has disconnected 07:08:26 Everyone having fun? 07:15:43 how to ssh to fedorapeople.org 07:16:21 martz927: you have to give fas your ssh key so you can log into fp.o 07:16:41 is it the id_rsa.pub file? 07:16:47 after that ssh to .fedorapeople.org 07:16:52 that's right 07:17:06 i got a permission denied 07:17:36 it would be great if you can fill in all the other fields too 07:18:14 from fas application or from your workstation? 07:20:25 i upload the id_rsa.pub via fas app 07:20:40 than tried to connect to fedorapeople via workstation 07:22:20 give fas some time :) 07:22:32 i also experienced that my 1st time :) 07:23:12 raeLLL has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 07:23:19 hello, all 07:23:29 raeLLL> You Well 07:23:31 raeLLL> It was Yao 07:23:43 raeLLL> I do not know is what POSSE 07:24:11 raeLLL> Automatic translation呀? 07:24:31 raeLLL> transbot0: the original is a robot that can automatically translate呀 07:24:57 transbot0: could you translate to Chinese -zh? 07:25:21 transbot0: 是不简单 07:25:32 raeLLL> transbot0: simple 07:25:46 POSSE : http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_APAC 07:26:04 i see 07:29:11 martz927: I've seen that page, and follow its irc channel to here, 07:29:25 martz927: could you introduce more about what's going on? 07:29:46 there is a class running right now 07:30:09 pple from APAC are learning how we can use FOSS tools to teach student 07:30:12 martz927: that event is starting from today? 07:30:20 yups ... just started today 07:30:21 http://blog.melchua.com/ seems good report, 07:31:05 and help professors to learn open source? 07:31:24 hmmmz 07:31:32 wont say help 07:31:55 Who is Mel Chua mel at melchua.com 07:32:20 she is talking to the audience now 07:32:56 martz927: and you are another organizer? 07:33:29 nope 07:33:35 im the participant 07:33:54 harish: *still* need your username ;) 07:34:08 harishpillay 07:34:16 harish: thank you! 07:34:25 Kaio has disconnected 07:36:27 http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_APAC_Planning , it seems need more volunteers, to do what? 07:36:37 calling for more participants, to do what? 07:37:36 if I am to participate, what will I do, to demonstrate some open source projects, or as a student to learn something? 07:37:53 what kind of participants does it need? 07:38:18 martz927: mchua 07:38:39 raeLLL: We're giving everyone an immersion crash course in contributing to the Fedora community. 07:39:14 So folks like azneita and hers have been in the channel helping out and answering questions, giving tips, telling the professors about what it's like to be a Fedora contributor. 07:39:43 raeLLL: They're going to start figuring out their projects for the week pretty soon, and it's likely that those projects will need specific help in some domain, but we don't know what those are yet. 07:39:57 time for break ... ttyl 07:40:09 raeLLL: Some people might want to learn about packaging, some people might want to learn about Docs, or Infra, or using a particular application that they want to bring back to one of their courses, etc. 07:41:59 raeLLL: if you've got cool projects that you'd like help with, or that you'd like to share, those would be good things to talk with people in this channel about ;) 07:42:16 raeLLL: Does that answer your question? 07:45:23 harish: you are done, http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/User:Harishpillay 07:47:43 mchua: I mean I'm currently in Singapore, and have time to go to that place, Nanyang Polytechnic, to help to demonstrate some cool open source projects, do you need that kind of volunteer? 07:48:09 mchua: 9-13 Nov, 2009 07:48:36 raeLLL: Ooh, that would be awesome. When would you want to come in? Let me check how we can bring guests in. 07:50:07 raeLLL: best times would probably be anytime tomorrow, Wednesday morning, you can join us for dinner on Thursday, any combination of the above. 07:50:52 raeLLL: It's very informal, we're all improvising a lot, it's a lot of fun :) we'd love to have you join us 07:52:02 Long has disconnected 07:54:06 mchua: and what kind of projects you expect me to do? I work here @SG as research engineer, also doing something about linux kernel development in spare time, 07:54:25 mchua: are you one of the organizers? 07:54:37 mchua: sponsored by Redhat? 07:58:21 mchua: I noticed so many professors are from China, I came from China, too; and would like to have communications with them, 07:59:19 mchua: in Mandrain or in English with other ones, 07:59:49 jasonchong has disconnected 08:00:04 Mandarin 08:01:41 zzabc007 has disconnected 08:09:02 dychen has disconnected 08:09:12 I support the idea of bringing more concepts of free software and open source to colleages and universities, 08:09:53 then professors and students will know the value of FOSS, 08:10:33 after students' graduation, they will introduce FOSS to the society, and the professor will introce it to more students, 08:12:21 I'd suggest Art/Design/Multimedia classes using opensource applications in courses. 08:12:54 But yeah, I wonder if there are hidden deals between universities and software manufacturers. 08:19:04 raeLLL: Yes, I'm one of the organizers and I work for Red Hat. 08:19:29 hnws has disconnected 08:19:48 raeLLL: Any projects that you're interested in and working on, really. 08:20:02 hnws has joined: #teachingopensource-posse-zh 08:20:25 raeLLL: The professors here are interested in a lot of different topics - some teach computer science, some teach digital media, some teach other things 08:21:08 raeLLL: the interesting thing is what *you're* interested in, and we can go from there and find ways for you to help 08:21:37 Kaio: +1 to Art/Design/Multimedia classes using FOSS - one of the things I'm hoping for is that Mo Duffy and I will be able to pull off a Design POSSE sometime this summer 08:21:48 Kaio: Don't know about hidden deals, but there are often pretty public ones... 08:28:05 How's everyone doing on their wiki pages? Are people done? 08:28:49 my wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chongwk 08:30:18 jasonchong: You'll want to make an account on either the Teaching Open Source (TOS) or the Fedora wiki - I'd recommend the Fedora one first - so that people within those projects can find out who you are, too. 08:30:41 mchua: once I have an account on fedora, how do I edit another person's wiki? 08:30:52 jasonchong: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki 08:30:54 jasonchong: remember, you need to find someone else to pair with on IRC so you can edit each other's pages - we aren't allowed to edit our own user pages for this exercise. 08:30:59