15:34:45 <jadudm> #startmeeting
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15:35:03 <jadudm> I'm going to continue running the logger because it is useful for POSSE history.
15:35:11 <jadudm> Of course, Heidi is talking about privacy as I do that...
15:36:08 <jadudm> That is, students need to know that they're putting things in an open record.
15:36:23 <jadudm> They aren't used to thinking of chats as being public.
15:36:36 <jadudm> Your words will be known to the world...
15:36:38 <jadudm> But, we
15:36:38 <jadudm> '
15:37:59 <Rajeev> What is the difference between meetbot and zodbot?
15:38:03 <jadudm> Heidi's note really matters: admins, the world, etc. will now be able to see these things.
15:38:11 <jadudm> Rajeev: er. Zodbot is the name of this particular meetbot?
15:38:26 <jadudm> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot
15:38:37 <jadudm> "zodbot is a supybot instance connected to the irc.freenode.net IRC network and joined to many Fedora-related IRC channels. "
15:38:41 <Rajeev> So meetbot is general, zodbot is specific to fedora
15:38:49 <jadudm> Sure. ? :)
15:39:44 <kwurst> gregdek: Here is an example of real meeting minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource/2010-05-25/posse_weekly_meeting.2010-05-25-19.08.html
15:40:05 <jadudm> ghislop: Do post the URL to the article w.r.t. FERPA.
15:41:09 <gregdek> http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/safeguarding-student-privacy.pdf
15:41:12 <mchua> ghislop: "Student work being online is fine -- grading being online is not."
15:41:49 <gregdek> http://nces.ed.gov/programs/ptac/TechnicalBriefs.aspx
15:42:31 <mchua> Students need to be able to opt out of having information about them displayed.
15:43:08 <mchua> jadudm: "It's worth going through your course roster and seeing the FERPA status of each of your students."
15:43:16 <mchua> Did they check the "don't share information about me" box? (Rare, but it happens.)
15:45:29 <mchua> Make it clear to students that if they're uncomfortable with online participation, they should talk with you -- they're not forced to do this.
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15:49:38 <jadudm> Greg's point: You don't have to share your "real identity" to be an effective FOSS participant.
15:50:07 <jadudm> FERPA overview from KSU: http://www.nacada.ksu.edu/Resources/FERPA-Overview.htm
15:50:23 <ghislop_> http://www.facultyfocus.com/articles/teaching-with-technology-articles/ferpa-and-social-media/
15:51:59 <mchua> LUNCH BREAK
15:52:01 <mchua> #topic noms noms noms
15:52:33 <jadudm_nom> Actual policies: http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html
17:08:32 <heidi_> jadudm: Is talking about communities of practice.
17:10:30 <jadudm_nom> http://www.psych.rochester.edu/SDT/measures/PCS_description.php
17:26:58 <jadudm_speaking> If we do something w.r.t. data collection, our transparency (in this room) matters a great deal.
17:29:00 <jadudm_speaking> A number of resources are on the SoftHum site... there are footsteps before us.
17:31:49 <Nannette> Consider http://www.disciplinarycommons.org/ for sharing our experiences
17:34:51 <heidi_> Pre and post course surveys for students involved in humanitarian FOSS projects may be found here:  http://www.xcitegroup.org/softhum/doku.php?id=g:evaluation
17:35:07 <heidi_> These are licensed Creative Commons and may be used and modified.
17:35:33 <heidi_> In addition, these were approved by Western New England, Drexel, and Trinity's IRBs and were vetted by an evaluation person.
17:37:57 <ianweller> how's posse going? :)
17:40:53 <ghislop> ianweller:  quite well...thanks for asking!
17:41:31 <kwurst> ianweller: We're currently discussing how to collect data on how effective this all is.
17:50:08 <heidi> POSSE evaluation page on TOS: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_program_design
17:51:39 <mchua> http://openetherpad.org/posse-2011
17:59:15 <gregdek> Interesting.  A limit of 16.
17:59:19 <wkchen> I am wondering if the log of these two days will be available after today?  If so, how can I access it afterwards?
17:59:36 <gregdek> As in, the IRC log?
17:59:42 <wkchen> yes
17:59:46 <gregdek> Good question.
17:59:56 <wkchen> it has many links that are very useful
17:59:59 <gregdek> Everyone can turn on IRC logging in their client -- surely someone has...?
18:00:07 <wkchen> OK
18:00:12 <gregdek> mchua: ping
18:00:15 <gregdek> sdziallas: ping
18:00:33 <mchua> gregdek: pong
18:00:38 <gregdek> IRC logging?
18:00:44 <gregdek> wkchen asked about it above.
18:01:12 <heidi> IRC is being logged.
18:01:18 <mchua> wkchen, gregdek: we have logs and they'll be publicly archived
18:01:21 <kwurst> gregdek: I think Matt started the meeting.
18:01:37 <heidi> gregdek: Yes, Matt restarted the meeting just before lunch
18:01:43 <gregdek> kwurst: IRC can be logged independent of bots.
18:01:47 <mchua> wkchen: I am hoping to have free time at some point before grad school begins... if I do, I'll take an hour and just clean up our transcripts so they're easier to read, and email them out to everyone too.
18:01:49 <gregdek> Might be worth discussing/covering that.
18:01:49 <heidi> ?
18:01:54 <heidi> Yes, I think so.
18:02:02 <mchua> gregdek: yeah, want to holler to the room?
18:02:10 <gregdek> You're at the front.  ;)
18:02:12 <heidi> I don't know how to do that.
18:02:21 <heidi> Ping.... Pong.... :-)
18:02:26 <gregdek> Yeah, it's different for every client, is the problem.
18:02:34 <wkchen> mchua: that is good, but if you don't have time, just send the raw logs, it will do too
18:02:48 <heidi> Ah, got it.
18:05:51 * mchua nods
18:05:55 <mchua> I'll mention it up here in a moment.
18:06:08 * mchua feels a little bad for not getting to discuss research & grading much here
18:06:21 <mchua> I'd like to do a feedback session in earnest though.
18:06:27 <gregdek> Yep. Higher prioritu.
18:06:29 <gregdek> y.
18:06:38 <mchua> #idea jadudm_speaking suggests we discuss "grading" as the topic for our first meeting in september
18:06:41 <mchua> (...or august)
18:06:53 <mchua> we deliberately scheduled this so that there would be time left in the summer to set up
18:07:00 <mchua> (it's actually usually in june!)
18:14:57 <mchua> http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_course_grant
19:02:40 <ctyler_summer> mchua: ping
19:08:49 <mchua> ctyler_summer: pong
19:08:55 <mchua> ctyler_summer: just got & responded to your email
19:13:01 <ctyler_summer> thanks mchua
19:13:14 <ctyler_summer> how'd the weekend go?
19:14:56 <mchua> ctyler_summer: *really* well
19:15:09 <mchua> ctyler_summer: we should pass you & dave materials & notes -- I'm braindumping tonight
19:15:35 <mchua> ctyler_summer: but if one or both of you want to do a call or something to sync up after that, i'm game
19:17:19 <mchua> ctyler_summer: I have to pack up here and move on to my next oscon session -- will come back here when I'm back online & at a table
13:48:31 <ctyler_summer> mchua_afk: ping
01:39:51 <mchua> .fas anthrodiana
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01:39:56 <mchua> .fas diana
01:39:56 <zodbot> mchua: dianam 'Diana Harrelson' <diana@cyber-anthro.com> - dicarola86 'Diana Carolina Pinzón Gómez ' <dicarola86@hotmail.com> - dfong 'Diana Fong' <dfong@redhat.com> - hery 'Hery Rusdiana' <hery_rusdiana@yahoo.com>
01:41:04 <mchua> .fasinfo dianam