16:00:26 <stickster> #startmeeting Fedora Workstation WG
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16:00:31 <stickster> #meetingname workstation
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16:00:46 <stickster> #meetingtopic Fedora Workstation WG
16:00:53 <stickster> #topic Roll call!
16:01:11 * stickster here
16:01:46 * otaylor here
16:01:47 * ryanlerch here
16:02:03 * nirik is lurking
16:02:30 * kalev is here.
16:02:37 * aday here (if it matters)
16:02:41 <stickster> it does!
16:02:47 <kalev> I also invited aday as an expert for the default apps discussion
16:03:18 <stickster> #chair otaylor ryanlerch kalev jwb
16:03:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwb kalev otaylor ryanlerch stickster
16:03:26 * jwb is here
16:03:52 * andreasn is here
16:04:06 * stickster holds door open another 30 sec or so
16:04:40 <stickster> Anyone seen mclasen or cschalle?
16:05:16 <stickster> #chair andreasn
16:05:16 <zodbot> Current chairs: andreasn jwb kalev otaylor ryanlerch stickster
16:05:22 <stickster> Well, let's get started.
16:05:31 <kalev> mclasen was having some irc client trouble earlier
16:05:36 <stickster> Ah, OK.
16:05:47 <stickster> Also, side note: Thanks for having me as your liaison, folks.
16:06:12 <stickster> kalev: We can start with apps question since that might consume some time, and we don't want to run out.
16:06:26 <stickster> I'm going to try to limit it to 30 minutes, i.e. done by :35
16:06:41 <kalev> sure
16:06:44 <stickster> #topic Added/removed apps in F21
16:06:54 <stickster> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-October/010893.html
16:07:30 <kalev> so, I generated a diff between the F20 Desktop spin and F21 Workstation
16:07:38 <kalev> and posted the results in the mailing list
16:07:58 <kalev> I think some of the changes there might have happened inadvertently with the desktop -> workstation rename
16:08:12 <kalev> so it might be best to just go over them one by one to make sure we are happy with the changes
16:08:26 <kalev> also, one goal might be to make sure all the default apps fit in one screen
16:08:45 <otaylor> kalev: at what resolution?
16:08:46 <kalev> they used to in F20, but in F21 they are on two pages and need scrolling to see all
16:08:57 <kalev> otaylor: I thought it's resolution independant for some reason
16:09:21 <stickster> kalev: Let's start with reviewing the adds/removes and save the default trimming until afterward
16:09:26 <kalev> sure
16:09:28 <stickster> if that's OK :-)
16:09:29 <ryanlerch> kalev, in one screen without groups?
16:09:29 <aday> are there any criteria for default apps?
16:09:34 <aday> or goals?
16:09:58 <andreasn> so 6*4 = 24 launchers
16:10:10 <stickster> *ahem* ^^^
16:10:28 <kalev> there's some _technical_ criteria which apps fit for the default installation
16:10:29 <aday> andreasn: we also have the folders
16:10:31 <stickster> Before we move to the question about default, let's check the adds and removes, folks.
16:10:38 <aday> some apps go in utilities and sundry
16:10:38 <andreasn> aday: true
16:10:54 <stickster> aday: andreasn: save it for a few minutes please.
16:11:07 <stickster> #info Removed: baobab, fedora-release-notes, firewall-config
16:11:15 <kalev> one thing we used to do in the past was to install _a lot_ of apps by default because we didn't have a proper app installer
16:11:18 <kalev> which we do now
16:11:18 <andreasn> stickster: sure
16:11:23 <kalev> anyway, let's go over the list, yes :)
16:11:34 <stickster> kalev: IIRC at least the last two were explicit decisions
16:11:34 <kalev> baobab: I think this is one of the apps that got accidentally removed
16:11:43 <stickster> kalev++
16:11:45 <kalev> I'd like to add this back; anybody mind?
16:11:50 <ryanlerch> baobab == disk usage analyzer, right?
16:12:02 * jsmith wouldn't mind having it back
16:12:03 <aday> ryanlerch: right
16:12:04 <kalev> yep
16:12:12 <stickster> #idea Put baobab back in, seems this was dropped inadvertently
16:12:35 * stickster agrees fwiw, it's quite a useful tool and has followed along with GNOME releases AFAIK
16:12:44 <stickster> Anyone object?
16:12:58 <stickster> Seems like not.
16:13:01 <stickster> #agreed restore baobab
16:13:08 <aday> it fits with the scope of the default apps, in my opinion - fairly essential system utility
16:13:20 <stickster> oops, sorry aday, didn't mean to jump the gun
16:13:21 <stickster> #undo
16:13:21 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 16:13:01 : restore baobab
16:13:22 <aday> and is required for the "no disk space" altern we show
16:13:28 <aday> *alert
16:13:32 <stickster> *nod
16:14:15 <stickster> OK, should be safe to go on then :-)
16:14:18 <stickster> #agreed restore baobab
16:14:27 <kalev> ok, next two: fedora-release-notes.desktop and firewall-config.desktop -- we explicitly agreed to drop those, so I don't think it needs any more discussion
16:14:27 <ryanlerch> maybe baobab should be in the utilities folder -- to for the goal of a single screen?
16:14:36 <stickster> kalev: +1
16:14:45 <bochecha> aday, I don't think it is, I don't have baobab installed here, and I still got the alert on low disk space
16:15:12 <kalev> the low space alert should have a button to launch baobab if it's installed, iirc
16:15:18 <aday> bochecha: but that notification has a link that opens baobab...
16:15:29 <bochecha> aday, ah, ok, got it
16:16:24 <stickster> Any objections to keeping f-r-n and f-c dropped?
16:16:25 <kalev> ok, on to the list of added apps
16:16:30 <kalev> sorry
16:16:30 <stickster> ha, good enough :-)
16:16:38 <stickster> #agreed f-r-n and f-c stay dropped as planned
16:16:55 <kalev> bijiben.desktop: afaik we'd planned to make this the default for a while
16:17:01 <kalev> and looks like a good addition to me
16:17:10 <kalev> any objections to keeping it?
16:17:13 <aday> i think the only question was whether the quality was good enough
16:17:23 <ryanlerch> bijiben == the new gnome notes application, right?
16:17:28 <aday> ryanlerch: right
16:17:49 * stickster only used it casually a few times but had no problems to report
16:18:01 <andreasn> it's been fairly stable for me on F21, I use it daily
16:18:13 <andreasn> that is just my system though, so shouldn't be taken as truth
16:18:15 <ryanlerch> i don't think it should be a blocker for inclusion, but it doesnt look 100% on a highDPI screen, FWIW
16:18:25 <otaylor> ryanlerch: was just noticing that
16:18:38 <ryanlerch> i filed bugs upstream for it already
16:18:38 <stickster> #info See link above for added desktop items list
16:19:04 <aday> i'm inclined to say that it's just good enough
16:19:28 <aday> there are some rough edges, but it is being actively developed, and would benefit from a bit more exposure
16:19:30 <ryanlerch> kalev, was it ever there by default? i remember getting it
16:19:32 <stickster> +1. I don't think our bar is "perfect"
16:19:34 <drago01> does lack of hidpi support count as "good quality" ?
16:20:03 <drago01> ok firefox does not work without manual tweaking either
16:20:07 <drago01> so ..
16:20:13 <kalev> ryanlerch: it was not on the desktop live image, but you might have gotten it through netinstall or somesuch, we used to have different default apps there in F20
16:20:15 <aday> drago01: depends how bad it is on hidpi
16:20:15 <andreasn> I've had some issues with crashes, so if that happens to others, that would make the base system feel less god
16:20:20 <andreasn> good
16:20:26 <stickster> drago01: On hidpi it's quite usable. The text is very slightly fuzzy for notes themselves, but it's not debilitating by any means
16:20:50 <otaylor> (It's probably also about a 5 minute fix - don't think it should block anything)
16:21:01 <drago01> ok
16:21:06 <stickster> OK, so any strong objections? otherwise, let's moveon
16:21:08 <ryanlerch> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737210
16:21:26 <kalev> let's move on, yes, otherwise we won't be able to go through all the apps
16:21:27 <stickster> Maybe we should limit feedback to said "strong objections" or else this is going to take a mighty long time :-)
16:21:38 <stickster> #agreed keep bijiben, no blocking issues
16:21:49 <otaylor> Oh, blah, it's using webkit, not a 5 minute fix, but will eventually get fixed as a side effect
16:21:58 <kalev> next is brasero.desktop: I think this is one of the accidentally added apps
16:22:17 <kalev> and it's pretty much dead upstream; mclasen put out a new release for this cycle but said he doesn't want to keep on maintaining it
16:22:41 <drago01> optical media is dying
16:22:46 <stickster> No objections to dropping, due to lack of upstream love and fading optical drive on market
16:22:48 <kalev> mcatanzaro also suggested on the mailing list to drop this
16:22:53 <drago01> (see bill's comment on the list)
16:22:56 <stickster> Anyone strongly object?
16:23:02 <ryanlerch> kalev, is there any other way of writing to optical disks without brasero -- is writing to optical disks something we want to support Oout of the box?
16:23:14 <kalev> I don't know.
16:23:24 <otaylor> ryanlerch: It's hasn't traditionally been out-of-the-box on other operating systems
16:23:27 <andreasn> did a count on new systems with drives at the local hardware store for garrett a while back. Approx 50%
16:23:30 <drago01> no, we probably should install it iff you have an optical drive
16:23:36 * satellit_e what lets one write to disk in files menu?
16:23:37 <drago01> but we don't have infra for that
16:23:49 <drago01> satellit: brasero
16:23:56 <otaylor> I'm a little worried that finding the right optical driver writer in gnome-software might be difficult
16:24:08 * satellit_e use it all the time with ext USB HD
16:24:19 <stickster> #idea We should probably install optical drive utility if there's hardware, but this probably needs some new solution
16:24:21 <drago01> satellit_e: that is gnome-disks
16:24:37 <satellit_e> k
16:24:51 <drago01> so how about keeping it for one (more) cycle?
16:24:54 <aday> otaylor: looks like the metadata could be improved there
16:25:24 <aday> i'm not getting a hit for "write cd"
16:25:30 <kalev> drago01: it's a new addition, it was never there for F20
16:25:34 <stickster> ryanlerch: kalev: It turns out there is still support in Files to e.g. write an ISO to a CD without brasero installed
16:25:35 <otaylor> aday: I'm not sure if that's a metadata problem or a search problem
16:25:37 <ryanlerch> one reason to keep as default would be for people to be able to write the fedora ISO
16:25:39 <drago01> kalev: oh?
16:25:53 <kalev> drago01: yes, the list in https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-October/010893.html is a comparison of F20 vs F21
16:25:56 <stickster> ryanlerch: kalev: Not sure if e.g. RB can similarly write audio discs
16:26:03 <drago01> ryanlerch: we provide tools (gnome-disks) to write it to usb
16:26:20 <mclasen> sorry, I'm late
16:26:27 <stickster> #chair mclasen
16:26:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: andreasn jwb kalev mclasen otaylor ryanlerch stickster
16:26:28 <stickster> o/
16:26:38 <aday> otaylor: those should be keywords, shouldn't they? i thought we searched on those
16:26:40 <stickster> kalev: 10 minutes left in this item and we haven't got very far.
16:27:05 <stickster> kalev: This tells me we really need a separate time to do this, since we failed to have the discussion on the list as planned :-)
16:27:26 <stickster> but we can keep going until the bell, np
16:27:26 <kalev> stickster: mhm, perhaps we should schedule another meeting next week to go through the rest
16:27:39 <kalev> mclasen: we were just discussing the list in https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-October/010893.html
16:27:41 <stickster> +1 but let's stay with it for now as planned
16:27:50 <kalev> and managed to get to brasero and then were unsure whether to keep it or not
16:28:12 <mclasen> ok
16:28:24 <aday> i don't see why having to install brasero is an issue. optical drives are rare enough not to support them out of the box, and this is why we have software - to enable you to install the apps that aren't always needed
16:28:47 <mclasen> brasero is pretty unmaintained, and the importance of optical drives is waning...
16:28:48 <stickster> If I type 'CD' in Software, the first thing that comes up is Brasero
16:28:52 <kalev> I think I'd err on the side of _not_ installing apps by default, now that we have gnome-software and its shell search provider
16:28:53 <fmuellner> is anyone aware of complaints that it was *not* in f20?
16:29:24 <jwb> i'd say drop brasero
16:29:33 <stickster> jwb: +1
16:29:35 <kalev> I'd say so too
16:29:35 <ryanlerch> drop brasero from me
16:29:38 * mclasen has no problem with that
16:30:06 <stickster> #agreed Drop brasero -- discoverable in Software
16:30:12 <stickster> devassistant is next
16:30:26 <stickster> I think keeping that is a no-brainer, it's featured.
16:30:30 <otaylor> stickster: this was explicitly decided to add
16:30:34 <stickster> +1
16:30:44 <kalev> yes, let's just skip over that one
16:30:48 <stickster> #agreed keep devassistant, this was explicitly set as feature
16:30:51 <stickster> eog?
16:30:58 <kalev> that was also explicitly added
16:31:01 <aday> i'd argue against it, but i think i'd be wasting my breath
16:31:03 <stickster> That was also a discussion over viewer, yeah
16:31:23 <stickster> #agreed keep eog
16:31:28 <kalev> aday: for what it's worth, I'm with aday but I don't want to spend the precious few minutes we have here arguing over devassistant
16:31:28 <stickster> gnome-dictionary?
16:31:29 <ryanlerch> what is the alternative? gnome-photos?
16:31:47 <kalev> we already had a discussion about photo viewers
16:31:53 <jwb> a long one
16:31:53 <stickster> Oops, I think I moved too fast, sorry again.
16:31:53 <kalev> and explicitly agreed to keep eog + shotwell
16:31:54 <stickster> #undo
16:31:54 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: AGREED by stickster at 16:31:23 : keep eog
16:32:04 <ryanlerch> kalev, ah i remember now
16:32:06 <ryanlerch> sorry
16:32:24 <stickster> But yeah, there was a long discussion on list about it
16:32:57 <andreasn> I saw gnome-maps was on the list. As a developer of that app, I'm not super sure it's mature enough to be default. aday?
16:33:03 <mclasen> gnome-dictionary is not really worth bringing back, imo
16:33:06 <kalev> let's go one by one
16:33:09 <kalev> gnome-dictionary is next
16:33:11 <stickster> kalev++
16:33:20 <stickster> #agreed keep eog
16:33:21 <kalev> I'd say so too, let's drop gnome-dictionary
16:33:29 <fmuellner> mclasen: +1 on dictionary
16:33:31 <andreasn> sorry
16:33:45 <kalev> if we really need something, we could make sure to have a Google Translate webapp
16:33:54 <ryanlerch> what's the rationale for dropping it? unmaintained?
16:33:56 <drago01> or just use firefox
16:34:01 <drago01> no need for a dedicated app
16:34:28 <stickster> Any objections to dropping g-d?
16:34:29 <ryanlerch> drago01, fair enough -- a +1 for dropping it for me
16:34:58 <stickster> #agreed drop gnome-dictionary
16:35:14 <stickster> Boxes seems like a no-brainer to me, but I'm listening :-)
16:35:43 <stickster> and... that's :35
16:35:49 <ryanlerch> a +1 for keeping boxes from me
16:36:17 <jsmith> +1 for keeping boxes from me
16:36:24 <kalev> I don't have a strong opinion about Boxes
16:36:26 <stickster> Let's finish Boxes discussion and I suggest we set up a separate time to figure the rest of these out, perhaps on the odd week next week? (Or earlier is fine)
16:36:37 <stickster> kalev: ^
16:37:15 <kalev> not sure, we are pretty close to the final freezes, especially now that it was moved one week closer
16:37:18 <ryanlerch> stickster, maybe we try to get through the rest of the points for the meeting quickly, and hopefully loop back to this?
16:37:26 <kalev> might be worth going through the rest of the apps today
16:37:42 <stickster> kalev: My next hour is free, but I can't speak for others
16:38:07 <stickster> kalev: Let's get to the rest of the agenda, and we can come back to this iff. people want to finish today
16:38:13 <kalev> sure
16:38:21 <stickster> I agree we don't want to wait longer than needed
16:38:32 <otaylor> +1 to keep boxes ... it's making a statement about core things that fedora can do as an OS and what workstation is about
16:38:33 <stickster> #info Coming back to this topic after rest of agenda
16:38:40 <stickster> #agreed keep Boxes
16:39:08 <stickster> I'm going to move on to next agenda topic
16:39:37 <stickster> #topic LAS speakers for WG
16:40:07 <stickster> So according to (iirc) mattdm, Linux Action Show might be looking for speakers for upcoming shows on the progress and development of different Fedora products
16:40:48 <stickster> IOW, a show would be dedicated to a specific product (not all at once)
16:41:27 <stickster> Is there anyone interested in doing this?  (FWIW I'm interested/willing, but I also don't want to take the opportunity away from someone else)
16:41:48 <stickster> And it would be cool to have two people, it makes for a more informative, fun interview
16:41:58 <ryanlerch> +1 for stickster doing it :)
16:42:49 <stickster> Also I'm a notorious camera hog, so it's in the WG interest to rein that in ;-)
16:43:14 <stickster> Anyone? Bueller?
16:43:27 <kalev> +1 to stickster doing it :)
16:43:34 * stickster looking for a partner in crime
16:43:55 <otaylor> stickster: I think it's too big of an audience to expect volunteers - but I'll do it with you if want someone else :-)
16:44:13 <jwb> well offered otaylor
16:44:15 <jwb> sounds good
16:44:19 <stickster> I do!
16:44:35 <stickster> #info otaylor will be on interview tag-team
16:44:45 <mclasen> how big _is_ the audience ?
16:44:55 <drago01> > 1
16:45:00 <otaylor> mclasen: I meant here in this channel
16:45:11 <mclasen> ah, ok :-)
16:45:12 <stickster> mclasen: over 38,000 subscribers on YouTube
16:45:23 <ryanlerch> http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow has >7000 too
16:45:40 <ryanlerch> so a few
16:45:44 <drago01> *> 1000
16:45:54 <stickster> OK, if anyone else is interested, feel free to get with me later if you're bashful :-)
16:46:15 <stickster> #info Any other interested parties canfeel free to contact stickster
16:46:17 <stickster> #undo
16:46:18 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 16:46:15 : Any other interested parties canfeel free to contact stickster
16:46:20 <stickster> #info Any other interested parties can feel free to contact stickster
16:46:30 <stickster> #topic dnf-plugins-core by default
16:46:52 <drago01> do we even install dnf by default?
16:47:01 <drago01> I though we didn't switch yet
16:47:12 <ryanlerch> this is primarily to get the copr repo setup functionality, right?
16:47:15 <kalev> dnf is dragged in by a dependency -- anaconda depends on it and it's installed on the live media
16:47:23 <stickster> drago01: I believe it's installed by default, yes
16:47:28 <stickster> kalev: thx
16:47:30 <otaylor> My understanding is that this is a request from the dnf maintainers, and I think we should follow their lead - having partially functional dnf on the command line doesn't make sense
16:47:48 <jwb> otaylor, i agree
16:47:48 <drago01> kalev: (we shouldn't install anaconda ...)
16:48:00 <kalev> drago01: yes, hopefully we can drop it next cycle now that we have overlayfds
16:48:04 <ryanlerch> +1 for adding it from me
16:48:05 <stickster> otaylor: Yeah, I don't think we resolved fully on list, but it seems like we should have support for developer-centric Copr and Playground repos
16:48:12 <drago01> kalev: yeah
16:48:14 <mclasen> kalev: oh, overlayfs helps with that ?
16:48:26 <ryanlerch> what else does it provide other than setting up copr repos?
16:48:33 <kalev> I think so -- we can install anaconda on an overlay and not copy that overlay to the hard drive when installing
16:48:37 <drago01> mclasen: it can be in a different fs then the one we copy to disk
16:48:51 <mclasen> oh, I see
16:49:22 <kalev> and we could then put the livecd scripts in a proper rpm and everything, if we can install that rpm in a separate overlay
16:49:25 <otaylor> I don't see hwo that's going to work if anaconda is from a package - rpmdb can't be in an overlay - but in any case, I think a distraction :-)
16:49:26 <stickster> ryanlerch: It also has bits for doing equivalent of 'yum-builddep', 'debuginfo-install'
16:49:57 <stickster> ryanlerch: So again... seems relevant to developers, maintainers. There are also plugins for repoquery I think?
16:50:25 <stickster> It's a very small package, is anyone strongly opposed to adding?
16:50:27 <drago01> otaylor: depends on how overlay fs handles "conflicting" files
16:50:36 <jwb> guys, you're digressing
16:50:42 <stickster> jwb: Thanks, you stole my line
16:50:42 <jwb> avoid the weeds
16:50:59 <ryanlerch> i don't think there are any downsides to adding it -- it doesnt change anything but on the command line
16:51:08 <stickster> It's great to have add'l problems to ideate/fix, we just need to answer current question while everyone's here in the meeting :-)
16:51:13 <stickster> yup
16:51:46 * stickster asks one more time, anyone strongly opposed?
16:51:55 <kalev> one notable difference we currently have between netinstall and the actual workstation iso installer is that the former doesn't have dnf
16:52:24 <kalev> if we add dnf, then it appears there too -- which I think is actually good because it reduces the last remaining difference between the two install methods
16:52:31 <stickster> agreed
16:52:32 <jwb> yes
16:52:59 * stickster hasn't heard anyone shout "Dear $DEITY NO"
16:53:12 <kalev> we might get some minor flamewars on fedora-devel that workstation explicitly installs dnf when it's not a F21 feature, but ... meh
16:53:22 <mclasen> +1 from me
16:53:28 <kalev> +1 from me too
16:54:00 <stickster> OK, sounds like we have rough consensus.
16:54:18 <stickster> #agreed include dnf-plugins-core in default WS install
16:54:25 <stickster> kalev: Can you make/patch that change?
16:54:30 <jwb> kalev, that's fine.  we're good at generating flamewars
16:54:34 <stickster> :-)
16:54:40 <kalev> yes, I'll make sure to patch the default apps changes, those that we discussed previously as well
16:54:58 <stickster> kalev: Yup, figured as much, I was waiting to #action you on those until follow-on segment anyway :-)
16:55:09 <stickster> #action kalev will make required changes
16:55:40 <stickster> So we have 5 minutes left. Ryan, did you want to give a super-brief branding update? Then we can see if people want to move add'l package discussion to #fedora-workstation
16:56:10 <stickster> oops, ryanlerch ^
16:56:19 <stickster> #topic Branding update
16:57:42 <ryanlerch> i am currently finialzing some mockups of some of the ideas that have been floated -- including the logo-superimposed-over-the-background idea. I should be able to update the WG mailing list with the mockups tomorrow.
16:57:46 <ryanlerch> http://imgur.com/bNzDhyE
16:57:55 <ryanlerch> that is a quick mockup ^
16:58:09 <ryanlerch> also working on ideas with the WS logo too
16:58:50 * stickster happens to know that mizmo was prepping some product logos to attempt to solve BZ 1155228 -- it's not *quite* tangentially related
16:59:08 <ryanlerch> stickster, that BZ is the anaconda sidebars?
16:59:23 <stickster> ryanlerch: Yeah
16:59:26 <sesivany> ryanlerch: isn't it making the wallpaper not freely redistributable since it contains our trademark?
16:59:38 <ryanlerch> sesivany, the wallpaper doenst have the logo
16:59:47 <stickster> sesivany: IIRC mclasen was kind enough to prepare a g-s extension for this
16:59:55 <ryanlerch> the idea here is to have a shell extenstion to superimpose it
16:59:57 <sesivany> ah ok, got it.
17:00:05 <stickster> sesivany: That way we can retain distributable wp :-)
17:00:05 <ryanlerch> that is actaully how that is done in the screenshot
17:00:21 <mclasen> the credit for the extension goes to fmuellner
17:00:32 <stickster> fmuellner: Thank you!
17:00:35 <mclasen> not sure if he's proud of it... :-)
17:00:37 <andreasn> and the logo keeps around also when you change backgrounds?
17:00:39 <fmuellner> s/credit/blame/
17:00:53 <drago01> andreasn: yes
17:00:53 <sesivany> andreasn: I was going to ask the same question
17:00:54 <ryanlerch> andreasn, curerntly no
17:01:02 <drago01> huh?
17:01:02 <mclasen> the way the extension is currently set up, the logo only appears on the defaulty background
17:01:03 <bochecha> does the logo only appear on the wallpaper? or also in the overview?
17:01:09 <fmuellner> andreasn: no, it only applies itself to the default background
17:01:09 <andreasn> ah, I se
17:01:11 <andreasn> see
17:01:14 <stickster> nice
17:01:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: Is it fair to say that the larger discussion of framework for branding decisions is still ongoing?
17:01:25 <ryanlerch> stickster, yes
17:01:28 <stickster> ryanlerch: Thanks!
17:01:30 <fmuellner> bochecha: also in the overview, but not in the workspace switcher
17:01:35 <stickster> And with that... we are out of time here
17:01:53 <stickster> #info Further discussion on apps changes to commence in #fedora-workstation (including whether to do it right now) :-)
17:02:01 <andreasn> fmuellner, ryanlerch: clever solution
17:02:03 <stickster> Thank you for your time, folks!
17:02:09 <stickster> #endmeeting