15:00:54 <mcatanzaro> #startmeeting Workstation WG 15:00:55 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 10 15:00:54 2016 UTC. The chair is mcatanzaro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:55 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg' 15:01:07 <mcatanzaro> #meetingname workstation 15:01:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 15:01:14 <mcatanzaro> #topic Roll call 15:01:30 * otaylor is here 15:02:01 <mcatanzaro> #chair mclasen___ otaylor kalev rdieter_work 15:02:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: kalev mcatanzaro mclasen___ otaylor rdieter_work 15:02:19 <mcatanzaro> #chair juhp 15:02:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp kalev mcatanzaro mclasen___ otaylor rdieter_work 15:02:26 <mclasen____> I'm sorry, I have to send my regrets for today - have to run out to the dentist now 15:02:45 <mcatanzaro> Shiny teeth shiny teeth shiny teeth! 15:04:41 <mcatanzaro> otaylor: I think two is not a quorum. 15:04:54 <otaylor> mcatanzaro: indeed 15:05:06 <mcatanzaro> #chair rdieter 15:05:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: juhp kalev mcatanzaro mclasen___ otaylor rdieter rdieter_work 15:05:14 <kalev> hello! 15:06:09 <mcatanzaro> OK, four folks, one short of quorum... close enough, let's get started. 15:06:13 <mcatanzaro> #topic Wayland readiness 15:06:55 <rdieter> hi 15:07:05 <mcatanzaro> So, the purpose of today's meeting is to evaluate whether Wayland support has progressed sufficiently for us to be comfortable with enabling it by default in Fedora 24. 15:07:44 <mcatanzaro> I think mclasen and cschaller were to report on that, but we have neither of them here. 15:09:13 <mcatanzaro> So... of the folks who are here, is anyone using the Wayland session regularly? 15:10:00 <kalev> I haven't used rawhide in a while 15:10:46 <rdieter> not i 15:11:23 <otaylor> I'm not on rawhide at the moment. I also have trouble remembering to switch back to wayland if I need to switch to X - I never want to log out when I think of it 15:13:16 <mcatanzaro> The most important question is: what sort of regressions are we willing to accept? 15:13:16 <Southern_Gentlem> to be honest we are still seeing wayland issues for some users in #fedora i think wayland needs to cook some more before it is the default 15:13:30 <Southern_Gentlem> push to f25 15:13:53 <rdieter> Southern_Gentlem: I assume you're talking about f23 users? 15:14:00 <Southern_Gentlem> rdieter, yes 15:14:24 <rdieter> what kind(s) of issues? things that may be fixed or be fixable in f24? 15:14:27 <mcatanzaro> It's certainly not ready in F23; file choosers get created with the wrong size, context menus appear in random places, Empathy crashes constantly (so I could not run this meeting under Wayland) 15:15:13 <mcatanzaro> We need a provenpackager to fix Empathy, anyone want to take care of that? (Package up a git snapshot?) 15:16:30 <rdieter> I may be able to, if there are no new fires starting later today 15:16:46 <mcatanzaro> WebKit does not have Wayland clipboard support yet; that's unlikely to be done before F24 as nobody is working on it. 15:17:19 <mcatanzaro> And there is a large list of missing features here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features though I am not sure how up-to-date that page is 15:17:22 <mcatanzaro> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features 15:18:13 <mcatanzaro> No input methods, no on-screen keyboard look like blockers. 15:18:19 <rdieter> I guess that may be a good step 0: verify correctness of that wiki page 15:18:28 <rdieter> if it is, the decision looks easy (not ready) 15:18:55 <rdieter> or just assume the page is accurate unless proven otherwise 15:19:29 <mcatanzaro> That list of missing features is quite large. 15:21:48 <mcatanzaro> Looks like mclasen has been editing the page quite recently, so I think it's mostly accurate. 15:23:49 <mcatanzaro> Anyway, feature freeze for 3.20 is this Monday, so I think it's safe to assume the final state of this list for F24 is not going to be much different. I am inclined to say this is a no-go, any objections? 15:25:13 <mcatanzaro> Since we don't have a quorum, this would not be any final decision made today, but just a recommendation. 15:25:15 <otaylor> mcatanzaro: That's probably the right decision, but I'm not really comfortable voting on this with limited people present 15:26:05 <otaylor> mcatanzaro: It's not jsut a question of quorum, but nobody here seems to that up on the state of rawhide 15:27:11 <rdieter> no_go++ 15:27:40 <otaylor> I'm abstaining on this 15:27:43 <mcatanzaro> At one point, I believe we also represented that we would only switch to Wayland by default once the previous Fedora release had fully-functioning Wayland, and that's clearly not the case in F23. (I'm not sure that's necessarily a good requirement, though.) 15:30:23 <mcatanzaro> #info No quorum today, but also no support for switching to Wayland at this point. 15:31:31 <mcatanzaro> OK, that's all that was on the agenda for today, as I wanted to leave this meeting free to focus on the Wayland situation, so we'll end early now. 15:31:47 <mcatanzaro> Please remember there is another meeting next week (not two weeks from now), which stickster will chair as usual. 15:32:14 <mcatanzaro> Thanks everyone! 15:33:15 <mcatanzaro> #endmeeting