17:07:58 <aday> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-02-11)
17:07:58 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 12 17:07:58 2020 UTC.
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17:07:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2020-02-11)'
17:07:58 <aday> #meetingname workstation
17:07:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
17:07:58 <aday> #chair aday cmurf
17:07:58 <aday> #topic rollcall
17:07:58 <aday> #info present: neal, tpopela, cmurf, jens, aday, kalev, mcatanzaro, otaylor, mclasen, langdon
17:07:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: aday cmurf
17:07:59 <aday> #info regrets: none
17:08:01 <aday> #info missing: none
17:08:03 <aday> 
17:08:05 <aday> #topic approve minutes
17:08:07 <aday> #info approve meetbot 2020-02-07-13.23, as amended by striking out 5a and 6a since they weren't discussed
17:08:10 <aday> #info approve meetbot 2020-02-07-13.26
17:08:14 <aday> #agreed Both sets of minutes approved. 5a and 6a to be striked from 2020-02-07-13.23
17:08:16 <aday> #topic Announcements
17:08:18 <aday> #info Bastien has updated low-memory-manager's README to include more information about the other software that's available, and better what it does: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/hadess/low-memory-monitor/blob/master/README.md
17:08:22 <aday> #info Task reminder for Kalev: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/workstation-wg-1/task/23
17:08:24 <aday> #info Task reminder for Neal: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/workstation-wg-1/task/30
17:08:26 <aday> #info GNOME 3.36 test day is being planned for 20 February - https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/604
17:08:29 <aday> #info Today is branch day, kernel 5.6 and systemd-245 have landed, systemd-homed is included (relevant to encryption and partitioning)
17:08:32 <aday> #topic Alignment between the GNOME and Fedora release schedules
17:08:34 <aday> #info Michael is considering moving the GNOME release schedule later by a couple of weeks
17:08:36 <aday> This is intended to address the issue of GNOME development releases not getting tested through the Fedora development releases
17:08:39 <aday> Kalev: at the moment the GNOME .1 is well-aligned with the final Fedora release, and includes a lot of bug fixes
17:08:44 <aday> Michael: the plan would be to ship Fedora with a GNOME .0 that's better quality
17:08:46 <aday> Michael will send out a proposal upstream for discussion
17:08:48 <aday> #topic Poor support for multiple VPNs (should we enable systemd-resolved?)
17:08:50 <aday> #info Background is https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/123
17:08:52 <aday> The NetworkManager developers are positive about the change
17:08:54 <aday> Neal: has had some issues with systemd-resolved in more complex scenarios; recommends that we use dnsmasq rather than systemd-resolved
17:08:57 <aday> This would be a system-wide change rather than being workstation-specific. There are some potential repercussions for CodeReady containers.
17:09:00 <aday> Neal predicts fallout from the switch. We will need to give people plenty of notice.
17:09:02 <aday> Owen: we will need to canvas to see what the various requirements are and make sure that resolved fulfils them.
17:09:05 <aday> Chris: should we make a change proposal now or put up a trial balloon on devel list first?
17:09:07 <aday> Owen: some concern that a thread on devel might result in a lot of noise- need to ensure properly scoped feedback.
17:09:10 <aday> Chris: likes to get the flames before the change proposal rather than after.
17:09:14 <aday> Owen: we should attempt to get feedback from stakeholders and users rather than personal opinions of people who don't have relevant experience - more of a structured feedback exercise.
17:09:17 <aday> #action mcatanzaro to make a change proposal for F33
17:09:19 <aday> Langdon: is against the trail balloon - it will just generate noise
17:09:21 <aday> #topic Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs
17:09:23 <aday> #info Background is https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84
17:09:25 <aday> #info We previously agreed to change fedora-cisco-openh264.repo to enabled=1, but not on automatically installing the codec
17:09:28 <aday> #agreed No objections to automatically installing the codec
17:09:30 <aday> #agreed We will pursue automatically installing OpenH264 once the repo has been enabled, through the recommends mechanism. We also plan on pursuing OpenH264 support in Firefox.
17:09:33 <aday> #action Neal to request a cross-repo recommends dependency on OpenH264 once the Cisco repo has been enabled
17:09:36 <aday> #topic Ship fedora-workstation-repositories on install media
17:09:38 <aday> #info Background is https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/105
17:09:40 <aday> Michael: one issue is proprietary apps showing up in search results in Software. Doesn't think the council will accept the proposal on this basis.
17:09:45 <aday> Kalev: we can install the repos by default but disable metadata on them. Initial setup can then ask the user whether to enable metadata.
17:09:48 <aday> Langdon: doesn't think it's going to be too difficult to get this through the council, and can help with the discussion.
17:09:51 <aday> Allan: what's the process like for discussing this with the council? Michael: the conversation just happens through a Pagure ticket.
17:09:54 <aday> Should we reach out to individual Council members first? Owen and Langdon think that's probably overkill for what's a relatively small change.
17:09:57 <aday> When the 3rd party repos were discussed with the council the first time around, was the sticking point including them on the install media, or shipping them in an enabled state? Kalev digs up the issue where the discussion happened last time: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/121 .
17:10:01 <aday> The 3rd party repos aren't built and signed by Fedora. Langdon: that could be a sticking point.
17:10:03 <aday> #action Kalev and Allan to draft a ticket for the Council, get feedback from other WG members and maybe some individual Council members (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/members/ ) too.
17:10:06 <aday> We probably need to fix the issue with the banners in Software before we approach the Council.
17:10:08 <aday> #endmeeting