13:07:19 <aday> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-03-17)
13:07:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Mar 31 13:07:19 2020 UTC.
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13:07:19 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2020-03-17)'
13:07:20 <aday> #meetingname workstation
13:07:20 <aday> #chair cmurf
13:07:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
13:07:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: aday cmurf
13:07:20 <aday> 
13:07:20 <aday> #topic Rollcall
13:07:20 <aday> 
13:07:22 <aday> #info present: tpopela, cmurf, kalev, neal, jens, aday, feborges, langdon, mcatanzaro, mclasen
13:07:24 <aday> #info regrets:
13:07:26 <aday> #info missing: owen
13:07:28 <aday> 
13:07:30 <aday> #topic Approve minutes for 10 & 17 March
13:07:34 <aday> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-03-12-18.24.html
13:07:36 <aday> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-03-24/workstation.2020-03-24-11.53.html
13:07:39 <aday> correction for 2020-03-24 rollcall, missing Owen
13:07:41 <aday> #agreed No objections: minutes approved
13:07:43 <aday> #topic Announcements
13:07:46 <aday> #info Allan: good progress has been made on the federa-workstation repos on install media issue (#??)
13:07:48 <aday> #info Kalev: OpenH264 (#84) - the f32 beta has the cross-repo recommends now; this revealed a DNF issue (needed to be fixed anyway)
13:07:51 <aday> Kalev and Neal discuss DNF key handling. A solution still needs to be worked out.
13:07:53 <aday> The DNF issue is an F32 blocker; Kalev will follow up with Daniel.
13:07:55 <aday> Followups
13:07:57 <aday> #topic Previous action items for thermald (#71)
13:07:59 <aday> #info cmurf to start a discussion on 01.org: not done but in queue
13:08:01 <aday> We still need a volunteer to start a discussion on devel@ about shipping+maintaining configuration files
13:08:06 <aday> The devel@ discussion should ideally happen after the 01.org thread is started
13:08:08 <aday> Michael: shipping a bunch of config files seems like a fairly wild hack
13:08:10 <aday> Neal: if there isn't an open source solution for thermald config, we should just drop it
13:08:12 <aday> Michael: thermald only works for intel-based laptops. Could we encourage amd to come up with their own solution, to apply pressume?
13:08:15 <aday> Chris: it seems relevant to devel@ to at least be aware of these issues, even if the Fedora community can't do anything about it
13:08:18 <aday> #info There is a change proposal from Ben, which the WG said no to last week, because it depends on non-free software
13:08:21 <aday> #info No volunteers to start the devel@ thread; cmurf will do it if no one else steps up
13:08:23 <aday> #topic Previous action items for automatically adding new packages when upgrading
13:08:25 <aday> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1814306
13:08:27 <aday> #info cmurf filed the DNF bug, although it turns out that it's actually not a bug
13:08:29 <aday> The issue is specific to DNF; it wasn't present with Yum. It sounds like it's an architectural issue - there isn't any special handling for upgrades/major versions. It's lacking support for compsgroups.
13:08:34 <aday> #info This seems to be an architectural issue with DNF. It's unclear whether the issue will get fixed. We might need to work around it.
13:08:37 <aday> Kalev: we should ignore this for F32; it's not a new issue
13:08:39 <aday> Matthias: we should accept that DNF is moving away from compsgroups. We don't want the installer to be offering sets of compsgroups. Would be fine without compsgroups.
13:08:42 <aday> Kalev agrees. We could have a repo that replaces the function of compsgroups, using metapackages.
13:08:44 <aday> #action Neal and Kalev to help Chris come up with a workaround for the issue, to ensure that earlyoom gets installed on F32
13:08:47 <aday> Neal: using a single metapackage is disallowed by the Fedora packaging guidelines; Kalev isn't so sure about this.
13:08:50 <aday> #action Neal and Kalev to work out a more generic solution for F33; it will likely require some policy work
13:08:53 <aday> #topic Reconsider updates policy
13:08:55 <aday> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/107
13:08:57 <aday> Kalev: we should go ahead with the Software UX changes, without approaching FESCo to define what "urgent" is up front - we can build the client side first and then Fedora can take advantage of the client-side handling once it's in place
13:09:01 <aday> Some discussion about this; Allan makes the point that the client-side UX makes assumptions about behaviour and logic of the server-side
13:09:06 <aday> Should we notify the user of updates every week or every 2 weeks? Felipe, Michael, Allan: two weeks
13:09:09 <aday> #agreed Users should be notified about regular notifications every 2 weeks.
13:09:11 <aday> #topic Deferred topics
13:09:13 <aday> #info Encryption of user data (excludes system) - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82
13:09:15 <aday> #info Encryption of system data (excludes user) - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136
13:09:17 <aday> #info Review Taiga kanban - https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/workstation-wg-1/kanban
13:09:19 <aday> #endmeeting