13:07:19 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-03-17) 13:07:19 Meeting started Tue Mar 31 13:07:19 2020 UTC. 13:07:19 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 13:07:19 The chair is aday. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:07:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:07:19 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2020-03-17)' 13:07:20 #meetingname workstation 13:07:20 #chair cmurf 13:07:20 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 13:07:20 Current chairs: aday cmurf 13:07:20 13:07:20 #topic Rollcall 13:07:20 13:07:22 #info present: tpopela, cmurf, kalev, neal, jens, aday, feborges, langdon, mcatanzaro, mclasen 13:07:24 #info regrets: 13:07:26 #info missing: owen 13:07:28 13:07:30 #topic Approve minutes for 10 & 17 March 13:07:34 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-03-12-18.24.html 13:07:36 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-03-24/workstation.2020-03-24-11.53.html 13:07:39 correction for 2020-03-24 rollcall, missing Owen 13:07:41 #agreed No objections: minutes approved 13:07:43 #topic Announcements 13:07:46 #info Allan: good progress has been made on the federa-workstation repos on install media issue (#??) 13:07:48 #info Kalev: OpenH264 (#84) - the f32 beta has the cross-repo recommends now; this revealed a DNF issue (needed to be fixed anyway) 13:07:51 Kalev and Neal discuss DNF key handling. A solution still needs to be worked out. 13:07:53 The DNF issue is an F32 blocker; Kalev will follow up with Daniel. 13:07:55 Followups 13:07:57 #topic Previous action items for thermald (#71) 13:07:59 #info cmurf to start a discussion on 01.org: not done but in queue 13:08:01 We still need a volunteer to start a discussion on devel@ about shipping+maintaining configuration files 13:08:06 The devel@ discussion should ideally happen after the 01.org thread is started 13:08:08 Michael: shipping a bunch of config files seems like a fairly wild hack 13:08:10 Neal: if there isn't an open source solution for thermald config, we should just drop it 13:08:12 Michael: thermald only works for intel-based laptops. Could we encourage amd to come up with their own solution, to apply pressume? 13:08:15 Chris: it seems relevant to devel@ to at least be aware of these issues, even if the Fedora community can't do anything about it 13:08:18 #info There is a change proposal from Ben, which the WG said no to last week, because it depends on non-free software 13:08:21 #info No volunteers to start the devel@ thread; cmurf will do it if no one else steps up 13:08:23 #topic Previous action items for automatically adding new packages when upgrading 13:08:25 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1814306 13:08:27 #info cmurf filed the DNF bug, although it turns out that it's actually not a bug 13:08:29 The issue is specific to DNF; it wasn't present with Yum. It sounds like it's an architectural issue - there isn't any special handling for upgrades/major versions. It's lacking support for compsgroups. 13:08:34 #info This seems to be an architectural issue with DNF. It's unclear whether the issue will get fixed. We might need to work around it. 13:08:37 Kalev: we should ignore this for F32; it's not a new issue 13:08:39 Matthias: we should accept that DNF is moving away from compsgroups. We don't want the installer to be offering sets of compsgroups. Would be fine without compsgroups. 13:08:42 Kalev agrees. We could have a repo that replaces the function of compsgroups, using metapackages. 13:08:44 #action Neal and Kalev to help Chris come up with a workaround for the issue, to ensure that earlyoom gets installed on F32 13:08:47 Neal: using a single metapackage is disallowed by the Fedora packaging guidelines; Kalev isn't so sure about this. 13:08:50 #action Neal and Kalev to work out a more generic solution for F33; it will likely require some policy work 13:08:53 #topic Reconsider updates policy 13:08:55 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/107 13:08:57 Kalev: we should go ahead with the Software UX changes, without approaching FESCo to define what "urgent" is up front - we can build the client side first and then Fedora can take advantage of the client-side handling once it's in place 13:09:01 Some discussion about this; Allan makes the point that the client-side UX makes assumptions about behaviour and logic of the server-side 13:09:06 Should we notify the user of updates every week or every 2 weeks? Felipe, Michael, Allan: two weeks 13:09:09 #agreed Users should be notified about regular notifications every 2 weeks. 13:09:11 #topic Deferred topics 13:09:13 #info Encryption of user data (excludes system) - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82 13:09:15 #info Encryption of system data (excludes user) - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136 13:09:17 #info Review Taiga kanban - https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/workstation-wg-1/kanban 13:09:19 #endmeeting