01:40:29 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-11-17) 01:40:29 Meeting started Thu Nov 19 01:40:29 2020 UTC. 01:40:29 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 01:40:29 The chair is cmurf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 01:40:29 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 01:40:29 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2020-11-17)' 01:40:30 #meetingname workstation 01:40:30 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 01:40:32 #chair mcatanzaro 01:40:32 Current chairs: cmurf mcatanzaro 01:40:47 #topic Rollcall 01:40:49 #info present: Jens, Owen, Michael, Matthias, Kalev, Neal, Chris 01:40:51 #info regrets wg members: Tomas, Allan 01:40:53 #info present guests: James, Wim Taymans 01:40:55 #topic Approve of 10 November minutes 01:40:57 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-11-12-04.55.html 01:40:59 #agreed Approved - no objections 01:41:01 #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports 01:41:03 neal: more f33 review has come in, more of the same. Positive reviews 01:41:05 michael: vpn problems have quieted down a bit, he will write a blog post. caused by vpns not managed by nm 01:41:07 #topic 195: PulseAudio -> Pipewire migration 01:41:09 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/195 01:41:11 wim: status: 01:41:13 lots of testers. 01:41:15 flatpak support not currently working, rethinking it using a pa server 01:41:17 smaller bugs in pa emulation need to be ironed out 01:41:19 should try to switch for f34, with an easy way to switch back 01:41:21 owen asks whether this is testable in f33. Answer: not currently, but we can backport the required fixes from f34. 01:41:23 neal suggests that we should write a change proposal to detail the fallback mechanism for users. 01:41:25 The template for change proposals is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EmptyTemplate 01:41:27 kalev asks for more details about the pa server. Wim explains that he made a passthrough pulseaudio server that also works for flatpaks. For jack applications, they need to be recompiled against the pipewire emulation, and then they only work with pipewire then. 01:41:29 neal suggests to make all fedora runtimes use pipewires jack and pulse emulation. 01:41:31 owen agrees that that is a good way to see if we're ready. 01:41:33 neals says: lets go ahead and get change proposal ready now 01:41:35 beta is end of february 01:41:37 wim will try, but asks for some help, also with packaging details 01:41:39 plan: 01:41:41 - wim will write a change proposal with help from wg members 01:41:43 - wim will do a new release with the pulse server 01:41:45 - neal will backport that to f33 01:41:47 - kalev will then update the flatpak runtime with that and rebuild jack apps 01:41:49 #topic 84: automatically install openh264 codecs 01:41:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 01:41:53 mstransky has openh264 for mp4 working in firefox, in addition to webrtc 01:41:55 problem: you have to install mozilla openh264 from the cisco repo 01:41:57 kalev: we enable cisco repo by default. Every time firefox is updated it pulls in all recommends 01:41:59 totem has the same problem: you need an update to get the codec 01:42:01 owen asks about langpack installation compared to codec installation 01:42:03 some discussion around ways to make this better. Possible to do it in gnome-initial-setup, maybe. 01:42:05 michael points out that there are some quality issues in the openh264 implementation of h264. This supposedly goes away if you use the codec through ffmpeg. 01:42:07 https://github.com/cisco/openh264/issues/3350 is maybe related 01:42:09 neal points out that we could do other post-install cleanup in gnome-initial-setup, such as removing anaconda. 01:42:11 #topic open floor 01:42:13 some discussion about font rendering, since it came up in this review: 01:42:15 #link https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-33.html 01:42:17 no conclusion 01:42:25 #endmeeting