01:52:40 <cmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-12-15)
01:52:40 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 17 01:52:40 2020 UTC.
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01:52:40 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2020-12-15)'
01:52:42 <cmurf> #meetingname workstation
01:52:42 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
01:52:44 <cmurf> #chair mcatanzaro
01:52:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: cmurf mcatanzaro
01:53:00 <cmurf> #topic Rollcall
01:53:02 <cmurf> #info present: chris, tomas, michael, matthias, allan, jens, neal, kalev, owen
01:53:04 <cmurf> #info regrets: langdon
01:53:06 <cmurf> #info present guests:  michel salim
01:53:08 <cmurf> #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports
01:53:10 <cmurf> Michel Salim: hidden grub menu issue
01:53:12 <cmurf> - Allen suggested it would be good to have Hans/Javier for this discussion
01:53:14 <cmurf> - revisit in first meet in January 5th
01:53:16 <cmurf> #info Potential issue with Hidden GRUB menu + boot on btrfs
01:53:18 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/206
01:53:20 <cmurf> #info Neal sent PR for pipewire pulse*
01:53:22 <cmurf> #topic Swap out Cheese for a more generic Camera app
01:53:24 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/166
01:53:26 <cmurf> #info totem might move to gtk4
01:53:28 <cmurf> #info first step would be to get gnome-camera and libaperture into Fedora
01:53:30 <cmurf> #topic Make use of malcontent in the default install?
01:53:32 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/186
01:53:34 <cmurf> - Tomas: question about UX
01:53:36 <cmurf> - Allan: tricky UX aspect, how to communicate to users when components or non user visible processes are killed and what it means; browser or browser tab is ok, but what if components are taken out?
01:53:38 <cmurf> - Let's enable it in Rawhide for testing
01:53:40 <cmurf> #agreed enable in rawhide
01:53:42 <cmurf> #action kalev will enable it
01:53:44 <cmurf> #topic Improve the user feedback for OOM situations
01:53:46 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/202
01:53:48 <cmurf> - Tomas: would be good to have GUI notifications
01:53:50 <cmurf> - Michel: oomd might be ready for general use: planning to submit F34 Change
01:53:52 <cmurf> - Allan: notifications for backend processes might be confusing, but better than nothing
01:53:54 <cmurf> - Chris: UI facing processes more likely hopefully: eg browser tabs
01:53:56 <cmurf> - oom also/more relevant for Server
01:53:58 <cmurf> - follow up with Ben et al
01:54:00 <cmurf> - Cloud does not have swap which is needed by earlyoom
01:54:02 <cmurf> - Neal: if no swap then can just disable
01:54:04 <cmurf> #action michel salim to work on a change proposal
01:54:06 <cmurf> #action chris to reach out to ben, lennart, bastien
01:54:08 <cmurf> #topic Approval of 08 Dec minutes
01:54:10 <cmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-12-09/workstation.2020-12-09-08.33.log.html
01:54:12 <cmurf> #agreed no objections
01:54:14 <cmurf> #topic Open Floor
01:54:16 <cmurf> - 08 Dec minutes approved
01:54:18 <cmurf> - Neal: Fedora moving to Matrix for realtime communication: package fractal (rust)
01:54:20 <cmurf> #info Fedora moving to matrix; offering a native Matrix client
01:54:22 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/207
01:54:24 <cmurf> - Michael: fractal needs work
01:54:26 <cmurf> - otherwise need a kde/qt: neochat, quaternion, nheko
01:54:28 <cmurf> - Owen may give better experience
01:55:30 <cmurf> #endmeeting