04:57:05 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2021-01-05) 04:57:05 Meeting started Thu Jan 7 04:57:05 2021 UTC. 04:57:05 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 04:57:05 The chair is cmurf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:57:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:57:05 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2021-01-05)' 04:57:07 #meetingname workstation 04:57:07 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 04:57:09 #chair mcatanzaro 04:57:09 Current chairs: cmurf mcatanzaro 04:57:41 #topic Rollcall 04:57:42 #info present: chris, tomas, michael, matthias, allan, jens, neal, kalev, owen, langdon 04:57:44 #info regrets: 04:57:46 #info present guests: michel salim, anita zhang, davide cavalca, alex gartrell, josef bacik 04:57:48 #topic Approval of 17 Dec minutes 04:57:50 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-12-17/workstation.2020-12-17-01.52.log.html 04:57:52 #agreed no objections 04:57:54 #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports 04:57:56 #info Allan: Major UI changes in GNOME 40 are slowly coming 04:57:58 - there will be a COPR repo to test the design in advance 04:58:00 - there is no way to do the changes only with using the GNOME Shell extensions as they require bigger changes, 04:58:02 - Neal is worried about communicating the changes to Fedora community 04:58:04 - Langdon worries about horizontal/vertical layout/philosophy changes, suggests to discuss this topic regularly during the next couple of meetings 04:58:06 #topic Enable transparent compression by default 04:58:08 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/177 04:58:10 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BtrfsTransparentCompression 04:58:12 Chris: It was part of the original BTRFS change, then split off, recently discussed on fedora-devel, two options - enable it everywhere or just for some folders such as /usr or /var 04:58:14 kalev: Is there any CPU impact? No noticeable CPU impact for the users if enabled (with the level 1 as it's proposed) 04:58:16 Josef and Davide confirm positive results from Facebook internal testing 04:58:18 kalev: potential downsides for data recoverability? Josef says it doesn't affect it 04:58:20 owen: How we make users to understand the effects of this change? (the difference between the compressed and uncompressed size). 04:58:22 Chris: There will be a tool/utility that will give you the information, called compsize, it's in Fedora repo. But does it need to be reported somewhere in the UI (i.e. Nautilus)? Chris thinks that this is a weak point of the proposal. 04:58:24 Owen suggest that we should check whether the GNOME notification about running low space does work with this proposal - Chris tested it and it works. 04:58:26 According to Chris this proposal is taking a low hanging fruit and there can be more stuff that we can pursue. 04:58:28 #agreed this feature is a good idea, let's do it 04:58:30 #topic systemd-oomd 04:58:32 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableSystemdOomd 04:58:34 Anita: proposal to replace earlyoom with systemd-oomd 04:58:36 Kalev: There is no feedback to the user that something was fixed with earlyoom, is there anything planned for systemd-oomd? Will there be some hooks? Anita: There's a plan to have dbus API, not planned for F34, probably for F35. Allan wants to research the UX side of the notification. 04:58:38 #agreed from Fedora Workstation WG POV this is good to go 04:58:40 #topic GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software 04:58:42 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/203 04:58:44 We don't have to for this today, moving to next meeting 04:58:46 #topic Open Floor 04:58:48 mclasen: VAAPI on Intel and improve the experience on Fedora (actually include it there). Asking for feedback/suggestions. 04:58:50 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/209 04:59:41 #endmeeting