02:05:56 <cmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2021-02-02)
02:05:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Feb  4 02:05:56 2021 UTC.
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02:05:56 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2021-02-02)'
02:05:58 <cmurf> #meetingname workstation
02:05:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
02:06:00 <cmurf> #chair mcatanzaro
02:06:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: cmurf mcatanzaro
02:06:18 <cmurf> #topic Rollcall
02:06:20 <cmurf> #info present: mcatanzaro, aday, cmurf, kalev, mclasen, jens, neal, tpopela, felipe, langdon
02:06:22 <cmurf> #info regrets:
02:06:24 <cmurf> #info present guests:
02:06:26 <cmurf> #topic Approval of 26 Jan minutes:
02:06:28 <cmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-01-28/workstation.2021-01-28-08.18.log.html
02:06:30 <cmurf> #agreed approved
02:06:32 <cmurf> #topic Announcements, follow-ups, status reports
02:06:34 <cmurf> #topic Updated activities overview design for GNOME 40 / F34
02:06:36 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/210
02:06:38 <cmurf> aday: not a lot to update at the moment
02:06:40 <cmurf> aday: however, there are some issues outstanding but the team has confidence they will be resolved.
02:06:42 <cmurf> aday: always looking for help though.
02:06:44 <cmurf> aday: a couple weeks til UI freeze
02:06:46 <cmurf> #info mclasen mentions that florian will be trying to get a snapshot in to rawhide today (20210202)
02:06:48 <cmurf> aday & mclasen mention a few contributors and specific issues
02:06:50 <cmurf> tpopela, mclasen: other discussion of issues and merging
02:06:52 <cmurf> aday to discuss with the copr owner about moving to point to master when all changes have landed there
02:06:54 <cmurf> #info https://blogs.gnome.org/shell-dev/2021/02/01/another-shell-ux-update/
02:06:56 <cmurf> ngompa points out a "feature" of gnome 40 that has been added and his appreciation
02:06:58 <cmurf> aday will be working on a fedora magazine article
02:07:00 <cmurf> ngompa clarifies that a user will be able to move windows between workspaces in the overview
02:07:02 <cmurf> #info langdon asks if you can roll back from the copr of gnome 40. Sounds like it "should work" but settings may get borked.
02:07:04 <cmurf> #topic encryption of user data (excludes system)
02:07:06 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82
02:07:08 <cmurf> lots of info in the ticket
02:07:10 <cmurf> otaylor is concerned that introducing a number of loopback mounts may show some performance issues that we are unaware of because laopback mounts haven't been used in this way to this extent.
02:07:12 <cmurf> mcatanzaro wonders if the performance impact of loopback is really much different than encryption, raises a concern that fscrypt may not be sufficiently secure
02:07:14 <cmurf> cmurf mentions we should discuss the btrfs/fscrypt security concerns with an fs crypto expert to understand what risk tradeoffs there are with it vs LUKS
02:07:16 <cmurf> ngompa believes that the issues raised, in particular the concerns about unencrypted metadata, may be an understanding from using fscrypt with ext4 and may not be an accurate reflection of using fscrypt with btrfs.
02:07:18 <cmurf> ngompa proposes the working group reach out to Omar Sandoval for feedback on goals/plans for fscrypt
02:07:20 <cmurf> ngompa and cmurf discuss send and receive under encryption on btrfs and zfs
02:07:22 <cmurf> mclasen asks what actions this group has for encryption with btrfs
02:07:24 <cmurf> cmurf responds that the user will (potentially) have to be engaged on making a decision in g-i-s to encrypt their home dir and (potentially) what method to use.
02:07:26 <cmurf> mcatanzaro suggests ideally there'd be no user interface, just do the encryption by default
02:07:28 <cmurf> cmurf also says that systemd-homed inclusion will have a fair amount of impact on decisions regarding the user experience and practice of encryption, possibly in the Users panel
02:07:30 <cmurf> #action cmurf to invite Omar Sandoval to a future meeting
02:07:32 <cmurf> #action decision required on systemd-homed which will have an impact on this discussion
02:07:34 <cmurf> #topic Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs
02:07:36 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84
02:07:38 <cmurf> proposal is that gnome-software automatically install on first login(?)
02:07:40 <cmurf> #action mcatanza to file an upstream ticket for gnome-software to be able to have this capability
02:07:42 <cmurf> discussion about whether the prior discussion concluded that gnome-software is the answer or if it was gnome-initial-setup
02:07:44 <cmurf> kalev is concerned that gnome-software is not the right answer
02:07:46 <cmurf> #action kalev to review the ticket and provide feedback there
02:07:48 <cmurf> #topic Offline automated workstation installation not possible
02:07:50 <cmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/85
02:07:52 <cmurf> #topic Review some older open issues
02:07:54 <cmurf> #topic Open Floor
02:07:56 <cmurf> mclasen wonders if we had planned to do a review of default/included software during the 33/34 cycle
02:07:58 <cmurf> aday hopes the group will review some of the older open issues during this cycle
02:08:00 <cmurf> tpopela proposes that 180 and 181 might be addressable in this cycle
02:08:02 <cmurf> discussion of how gtk2 dependency may be dropped
02:08:04 <cmurf> conclusion seems to be it is still waiting on firefox
02:11:11 <cmurf> #endmeeting