04:46:51 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2021-05-11) 04:46:51 Meeting started Wed May 12 04:46:51 2021 UTC. 04:46:51 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 04:46:51 The chair is cmurf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 04:46:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 04:46:51 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2021-05-11)' 04:46:53 #meetingname workstation 04:46:53 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 04:46:55 #chair Neal 04:46:55 Current chairs: Neal cmurf 04:47:23 #topic Rollcall 04:47:25 #info present: Allan, Michael, Neal, Matthias, Kalev, Jens, Chris, Owen 04:47:27 #info regrets: Tomas 04:47:29 #info present guests: Luna Jernberg (bittin) 04:47:31 #topic Approval of May 4 minutes 04:47:33 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-05-05-04.27.log.html 04:47:35 #agreed no objections, approved 04:47:37 #topic Announcements and Status reports 04:47:39 #info Linux Summit, May 13-15 04:47:41 #link https://linuxappsummit.org/ 04:47:43 Do we have talking points? Talk about Silverblue and Flatpak, what are people using and if not Silverblue and Flatpak, why not? 04:47:45 #topic Boxes dropped VNC functionality: replacement? 04:47:47 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/231 04:47:49 #info Overview of the issue, likely use GNOME Connections. 04:47:51 Various use cases discussed and that this functionality ostensibly should be built-in because the UI suggests it's possible. Not necessarily that this is something that must exist in the installed system by default. 04:47:53 Looks like the confusion has existed since Fedora 33. 04:47:55 Allan: There's various questions here, how broken is it, and do we even want to expose it in the first place? 04:47:57 Owen: I don't think logic helps us here, it's what do users expect and what use cases are helped or hindered by whatever decision we make. 04:47:59 Allan: Agree. 04:48:01 Brief discussion on VNC being an inadequate solution, results in bad experience. RDP is much better, and we should emphasize the RDP path resource wise going forward. 04:48:03 #action Langdon will investigate further and update the issue 04:48:05 Use cases: support, conferencing, using one's own desktop remotely 04:48:07 Allan: Seems like little attention to this functionality for a long time, so I'm not sure how common these use cases are. 04:48:09 #link https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop/-/issues/26 04:48:11 #link https://www.freerdp.com/ 04:48:13 Michael: Rough consensus on server settings. Not much progress on client settings. 04:48:15 #agreed continue discussion 04:48:17 Owen: The discussion doesn't so far account for the differences between virtualization and remote desktop sharing, and these probably should be separated for better organization. 04:48:19 Who wants to lead the discussion and organization of the various issues? 04:48:21 Langdon tentatively volunteers. 04:48:23 #info Proposal: include GNOME Connections in the default package set for Workstation 04:48:25 Langdon: technically it's a bug that it's not included 04:48:27 Allan: we should discuss it more before agreeing to include it by default 04:48:29 #topic Add selected Flathub apps to the third-party repos 04:48:31 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/108 04:48:33 #agreed deferred 04:48:35 #topic Broadcom wireless 04:48:37 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/116 04:48:39 #agreed deferred 04:48:41 #topic Release art for GNOME Software 04:48:43 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/230 04:48:45 #agreed deferred 04:48:47 #topic Open Floor 04:48:49 Jens: suggestion, would be nice to showcase recommended apps 04:48:51 Neal: Difficult, Software doesn't really help in an obvious way get the user the best software for a use case 04:48:53 Allan: I agree and would be nice to add this capability to GNOME Software 04:48:55 Langdon: Software is just a catalog, it would be nice if it showed curated package sets, spins. If we want something with a different or additional experience, we have to be really clear what it is it would do for it to actually differentiate and thus be helpful. 04:50:00 #endmeeting