17:28:45 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2021-11-09)
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17:28:46 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
17:28:46 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
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17:28:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
17:29:05 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Allan, Michael, Kalev, Owen, Chris, Tomas
17:29:05 <brainycmurf> #info Present guests: Felipe, Zac, Developer Ahmed
17:29:05 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Matthias, Tomas will leave early
17:29:05 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Michael
17:29:05 <brainycmurf> #topic Approve last week's minutes
17:29:06 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-02/workstation.2021-11-02-18.29.log.html
17:29:09 <brainycmurf> #agreed Minutes are approved
17:29:11 <brainycmurf> #topic WG meeting format
17:29:13 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/252
17:29:17 <brainycmurf> #info What are the goals for our meetings? How are they going? Identify potential improvements.
17:29:19 <brainycmurf> Some suggestions:
17:29:21 <brainycmurf> - No explicit approval of minutes
17:29:23 <brainycmurf> - Neal: Only had one objection to minutes in two years, implicit approval should be fine
17:29:25 <brainycmurf> - Chris: If we take binding votes during video meetings, we should have process to ensure votes are recorded correctly. Votes could e.g. be recorded in Pagure rather than meeting minutes.
17:29:28 <brainycmurf> - Owen: We don't actually record who voted + or -, we only record the totals.
17:29:30 <brainycmurf> - Neal: Weird for approvals to occur after minutes are already public.
17:29:32 <brainycmurf> - Chris: Not so, we can and have retroactively changed incorrect minutes via requests to fedora-infrastructure.
17:29:35 <brainycmurf> - Chris: When third-party secretary is typing minutes, mistakes can and do happen. <Secretarial note: there is a very nice frond in the background of Chris's video. Addendum to secretarial note: apparently it is not actually a frond because the leaf is not divided.>
17:29:39 <brainycmurf> - Chris proposes that we just let Allan decide, since he is chair.
17:29:41 <brainycmurf> - Allan: let's balance between giving opportunity to correct record vs. formality
17:29:43 <brainycmurf> #info Are status updates useful?
17:29:47 <brainycmurf> - Allan: are they useful? We spend a lot of time on non-agenda topics.
17:29:49 <brainycmurf> - Owen: let's combine free-form status updates with open floor, *after* the regular agenda
17:29:51 <brainycmurf> - Allan: open floor feels like time that needs to be filled, hasn't been going well.
17:29:53 <brainycmurf> - Neal: thinks open floor would go better if combined with status updates
17:29:55 <brainycmurf> #info Try a different video platform?
17:29:57 <brainycmurf> - Allan: Google Meet has a hand raising feature that could be useful. BlueJeans has a hand raise feature, but it doesn't manage a queue like Google Meet's does.
17:30:00 <brainycmurf> - Neal: Jitsi also has the hand-raising feature.
17:30:02 <brainycmurf> - Allan: Unfortunately non-Red Hatters cannot start Google Meet meetings
17:30:04 <brainycmurf> - Neal: Non-Red Hatters can only join if invited via meeting invitation.
17:30:06 <brainycmurf> - Allan: Seems like sticking with BlueJeans makes the most sense
17:30:08 <brainycmurf> - Neal: Either BlueJeans or Jitsi Meet, which is also fine and integrates with Fedora's Matrix service.
17:30:11 <brainycmurf> - Allan: Lacking a particularly compelling reason to switch, BlueJeans should be fine. But let's use the raise hands feature more.
17:30:16 <brainycmurf> - Record the secretary each week (so we remember whose turn it is next)
17:30:18 <brainycmurf> - Michael: who wants shorter meetings?
17:30:20 <brainycmurf> - Crickets.
17:30:22 <brainycmurf> - Allan: seems status quo is working fine. Ending early if we've covered everything on the schedule is fine too.
17:30:25 <brainycmurf> #topic F36 workstation schedule
17:30:27 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/250#comment-760428
17:30:29 <brainycmurf> Please review the linked schedule ^
17:30:31 <brainycmurf> Allan: any problems with the schedule?
17:30:33 <brainycmurf> Ahmed: There is another change proposal deadline for changes requiring infrastructure work
17:30:35 <brainycmurf> Allan: wants to see WG more involved in change proposal process
17:30:37 <brainycmurf> #topic F36 change planning
17:30:39 <brainycmurf> What's coming down the road for F36? What do we want to push for?
17:30:41 <brainycmurf> Review F36 milestone tickets - anything missing?
17:30:43 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&milestone=Fedora+36&close_status=
17:30:47 <brainycmurf> Allan: Please look through the F36 tickets
17:30:49 <brainycmurf> WG reviews various tickets
17:30:51 <brainycmurf> #action Neal volunteers to handle #242 "Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install"
17:30:53 <brainycmurf> #action Chris to look at #228 "Enable full preemption"
17:30:55 <brainycmurf> #action Milan is working on #203 "GNOME Software is recommending proprietary software"
17:30:57 <brainycmurf> #action Michael pings Zbigniew in #163 "2m shutdown timer is too long"
17:30:59 <brainycmurf> #info WG is waiting for further updates in #155 "NVIDIA driver and UEFI secure boot"
17:31:01 <brainycmurf> #info Neal suggests waiting until F37 to continue discussions on disk encryption
17:31:03 <brainycmurf> #topic Open floor
17:31:05 <brainycmurf> Neal: jforbes is considering enabling binderfs in kernel 5.15, which would allow running Android applications on Fedora.
17:31:08 <brainycmurf> Neal: also new NTFS driver ntfs3. Might want to switch to this for F36.
17:31:10 <brainycmurf> Allan: virtual F35 release party is on Friday
17:31:12 <brainycmurf> Allan: has been working on new content for Workstation web pages
17:31:16 <brainycmurf> Ahmed: submitted website proposal to improve flock2fedora.org
17:31:18 <brainycmurf> Neal: F35 elections are starting.
17:31:31 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting