06:36:01 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2022-01-18)
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06:36:02 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
06:36:02 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
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06:36:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
06:36:15 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Matthias, Jens, Tomas, Allan, Michael, Neil, Chris
06:36:15 <brainycmurf> #info Present guests: Felipe
06:36:15 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Owen
06:36:15 <brainycmurf> #info Missing: Luna (bittin) - sick
06:36:15 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Michael
06:36:16 <brainycmurf> #topic Working group membership
06:36:18 <brainycmurf> We're currently down two members.
06:36:20 <brainycmurf> Langdon has been missing since he started a new job.
06:36:22 <brainycmurf> Kalev is temporarily out for a six month sabbatical.
06:36:24 <brainycmurf> WG discusses how to handle these situations.
06:36:26 <brainycmurf> Approved: Kalev temporarily suspended, will be automatically reinstated when he returns from sabbatical.
06:36:29 <brainycmurf> WG discusses potential replacements for Langdon, or possibly adding more than one person
06:36:31 <brainycmurf> Action: Allan to reach out to two potential replacements for Langdon
06:36:33 <brainycmurf> #topic F36 images oversize
06:36:35 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2031215
06:36:37 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10513
06:36:39 <brainycmurf> The aarch64 image is oversize (>4 GB)
06:36:43 <brainycmurf> Felipe notices that the today's image is only 3.7 GB, so issue is already resolved
06:36:45 <brainycmurf> #topic PyCharm's official third-party repo doesn't have any appstream metadata, can't be found in gnome-software
06:36:48 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/249
06:36:50 <brainycmurf> Neal says appstream metadata can be generated by making a simple settings change in the copr settings
06:36:53 <brainycmurf> Tomas contacted the maintainer of this copr repository, says the setting is already enabled
06:36:55 <brainycmurf> Action: Neal to help with follow-up
06:36:57 <brainycmurf> #topic Remove Photos from the default app set
06:36:59 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/164
06:37:01 <brainycmurf> Allan says quality is below our typical expectations for Workstation
06:37:03 <brainycmurf> WG discusses whether to remove it or replace it with Shotwell
06:37:05 <brainycmurf> WG discusses usefulness of Photos, difficulties with using Photos
06:37:07 <brainycmurf> Particular concern is that the app crashes frequently
06:37:09 <brainycmurf> Michael suggests removing the app, but doing so from upstream core as well
06:37:13 <brainycmurf> Matthias: we want to keep image editing support, fixing Photos would be easier than developing a new app to replace it or moving the functionality to eog
06:37:16 <brainycmurf> Felipe thinks most Photos crashes are related to tracker
06:37:18 <brainycmurf> Felipe, Jens, and Neal all suggest that simplifying the app would make it more maintainable
06:37:20 <brainycmurf> Neal specifically suggests removing the album management features, make it show just a single photo
06:37:23 <brainycmurf> Matthias points out that the main problem is no active development. Tomas says rishi does not have spare cycles for Photos in the foreseeable future.
06:37:26 <brainycmurf> Action: Matthias will find a "volunteer" to look into a round of fixes for Photos
06:37:28 <brainycmurf> Jens thinks it is confusing that we have both eog and Photos
06:37:30 <brainycmurf> Allan wants Photos to act as image viewer as well, but nobody ever had time to implement it
06:37:32 <brainycmurf> WG brainstorms Photos design considerations
06:37:34 <brainycmurf> WG discusses new loupe image viewer that will replace eog
06:37:36 <brainycmurf> #topic Improve the user feedback for OOM situations
06:37:38 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/202
06:37:42 <brainycmurf> Any developments?
06:37:44 <brainycmurf> WG defers this agenda item to next week due to time constraints
06:37:46 <brainycmurf> #topic Offline updates: install updates after the user triggers the shutdown/restart command, instead of installing them in the next boot
06:37:49 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/258
06:37:51 <brainycmurf> WG defers this agenda item to next week due to time constraints
06:37:53 <brainycmurf> #topic What to prioritize for future meetings?
06:37:55 <brainycmurf> Major areas of concern: disk encryption, multimedia experience, OOM, NVIDIA & secure boot...
06:37:57 <brainycmurf> Not yet ready to talk about full disk encryption again.
06:37:59 <brainycmurf> Potential topics: state of i18n and localisation
06:38:01 <brainycmurf> Gaps in the managed workstation experience. Zac suggests we discuss Microsoft Endpoint Manager. It will be big really soon and we should work with it. Neal: Should have an API for orchestration?
06:38:04 <brainycmurf> Michael would like to resolve unending limbo of GNOME Music
06:38:06 <brainycmurf> Tomas reminds us the deadline for Workstation PRD is soon
06:38:08 <brainycmurf> Action: all WG members to review proposed update to PRD
06:38:12 <brainycmurf> Action: Michael to set up meeting with Chris and Neal to discuss secure boot
06:38:14 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, status updates
06:38:16 <brainycmurf> #info The minutes from last week have been posted online.
06:38:19 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-01-12/workstation.2022-01-12-00.32.log.html
06:38:21 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting