06:36:01 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2022-01-18) 06:36:01 Meeting started Wed Jan 19 06:36:01 2022 UTC. 06:36:01 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 06:36:01 The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 06:36:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 06:36:01 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2022-01-18)' 06:36:02 #meetingname workstation 06:36:02 #chair Allan 06:36:02 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 06:36:02 Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 06:36:15 #info Present members: Matthias, Jens, Tomas, Allan, Michael, Neil, Chris 06:36:15 #info Present guests: Felipe 06:36:15 #info Regrets: Owen 06:36:15 #info Missing: Luna (bittin) - sick 06:36:15 #info Secretary: Michael 06:36:16 #topic Working group membership 06:36:18 We're currently down two members. 06:36:20 Langdon has been missing since he started a new job. 06:36:22 Kalev is temporarily out for a six month sabbatical. 06:36:24 WG discusses how to handle these situations. 06:36:26 Approved: Kalev temporarily suspended, will be automatically reinstated when he returns from sabbatical. 06:36:29 WG discusses potential replacements for Langdon, or possibly adding more than one person 06:36:31 Action: Allan to reach out to two potential replacements for Langdon 06:36:33 #topic F36 images oversize 06:36:35 #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2031215 06:36:37 #link https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10513 06:36:39 The aarch64 image is oversize (>4 GB) 06:36:43 Felipe notices that the today's image is only 3.7 GB, so issue is already resolved 06:36:45 #topic PyCharm's official third-party repo doesn't have any appstream metadata, can't be found in gnome-software 06:36:48 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/249 06:36:50 Neal says appstream metadata can be generated by making a simple settings change in the copr settings 06:36:53 Tomas contacted the maintainer of this copr repository, says the setting is already enabled 06:36:55 Action: Neal to help with follow-up 06:36:57 #topic Remove Photos from the default app set 06:36:59 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/164 06:37:01 Allan says quality is below our typical expectations for Workstation 06:37:03 WG discusses whether to remove it or replace it with Shotwell 06:37:05 WG discusses usefulness of Photos, difficulties with using Photos 06:37:07 Particular concern is that the app crashes frequently 06:37:09 Michael suggests removing the app, but doing so from upstream core as well 06:37:13 Matthias: we want to keep image editing support, fixing Photos would be easier than developing a new app to replace it or moving the functionality to eog 06:37:16 Felipe thinks most Photos crashes are related to tracker 06:37:18 Felipe, Jens, and Neal all suggest that simplifying the app would make it more maintainable 06:37:20 Neal specifically suggests removing the album management features, make it show just a single photo 06:37:23 Matthias points out that the main problem is no active development. Tomas says rishi does not have spare cycles for Photos in the foreseeable future. 06:37:26 Action: Matthias will find a "volunteer" to look into a round of fixes for Photos 06:37:28 Jens thinks it is confusing that we have both eog and Photos 06:37:30 Allan wants Photos to act as image viewer as well, but nobody ever had time to implement it 06:37:32 WG brainstorms Photos design considerations 06:37:34 WG discusses new loupe image viewer that will replace eog 06:37:36 #topic Improve the user feedback for OOM situations 06:37:38 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/202 06:37:42 Any developments? 06:37:44 WG defers this agenda item to next week due to time constraints 06:37:46 #topic Offline updates: install updates after the user triggers the shutdown/restart command, instead of installing them in the next boot 06:37:49 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/258 06:37:51 WG defers this agenda item to next week due to time constraints 06:37:53 #topic What to prioritize for future meetings? 06:37:55 Major areas of concern: disk encryption, multimedia experience, OOM, NVIDIA & secure boot... 06:37:57 Not yet ready to talk about full disk encryption again. 06:37:59 Potential topics: state of i18n and localisation 06:38:01 Gaps in the managed workstation experience. Zac suggests we discuss Microsoft Endpoint Manager. It will be big really soon and we should work with it. Neal: Should have an API for orchestration? 06:38:04 Michael would like to resolve unending limbo of GNOME Music 06:38:06 Tomas reminds us the deadline for Workstation PRD is soon 06:38:08 Action: all WG members to review proposed update to PRD 06:38:12 Action: Michael to set up meeting with Chris and Neal to discuss secure boot 06:38:14 #topic Announcements, status updates 06:38:16 #info The minutes from last week have been posted online. 06:38:19 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-01-12/workstation.2022-01-12-00.32.log.html 06:38:21 #endmeeting