21:06:08 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2022-02-01) 21:06:08 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Feb 1 21:06:08 2022 UTC. 21:06:08 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 21:06:08 <zodbot> The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 21:06:08 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:06:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2022-02-01)' 21:06:08 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation 21:06:08 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan 21:06:08 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 21:06:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 21:06:31 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Allan, Michael, Owen, Chris, Neal 21:06:31 <brainycmurf> #info Present guests: 21:06:31 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Tomas, Matthias 21:06:31 <brainycmurf> #info Missing: Jens 21:06:31 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Chris 21:06:31 <brainycmurf> #topic Outstanding pending actions 21:06:33 <brainycmurf> #info 2m shutdown timer is too long 21:06:35 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (Matthias) 21:06:37 <brainycmurf> skipped 21:06:39 <brainycmurf> #info Improve Fedora interoperability between Ethernet and WiFi 21:06:43 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/198 (Neal) 21:06:45 <brainycmurf> Neal will circle back with NetworkManager developers and update the ticket 21:06:47 <brainycmurf> #action Neal 21:06:49 <brainycmurf> #info Consider limiting journal size 21:06:51 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 (Chris) 21:06:53 <brainycmurf> Chris: same situation, we just need to decide if it's important enough to possibly (likely) deviate from upstream 21:06:56 <brainycmurf> Neal: OK with moving from size-based to time-based retention, Btrfs mostly made the problem go away 21:06:59 <brainycmurf> Owen: don't entirely agree, it's arbitrarily large, it's not super important but also isn't currently optimized either, if it were compressed that would alleviate most concern 21:07:02 <brainycmurf> Chris: there's some recent systemd work upstream, possibly in v250, that changing journal files from nodatacow (and thus not compressed) to datacow at rotation time, enabling transparent btrfs compression to compress them; need to check and see if this works in practice 21:07:06 <brainycmurf> Chris, Michael, Allan, Owen - generally in favor of less retention, ~3 months; Neal in favor of 6-12 months retention 21:07:09 <brainycmurf> #info Add NetworkManager (or NetworkManager-wiifi) to protected packages for workstation? 21:07:13 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/260 (Michael) 21:07:15 <brainycmurf> #action Michael will make the change and update the ticket 21:07:17 <brainycmurf> # info User directories as Btrfs subvolumes by default 21:07:19 <brainycmurf> # link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/232 (Neal) 21:07:21 <brainycmurf> # action Neal will file an ownership upon subvol creation bug and update the ticket 21:07:23 <brainycmurf> # info Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install 21:07:25 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 (Neal) 21:07:27 <brainycmurf> #action Neal will work it this soon 21:07:29 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora PRD 21:07:31 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 21:07:33 <brainycmurf> Some work has happened here but it's not finished; WG went through the document and made adjustments 21:07:36 <brainycmurf> #topic Orchestration API 21:07:38 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/268 21:07:40 <brainycmurf> skipped 21:07:44 <brainycmurf> #topic Ship preinstalled apps as Flatpaks 21:07:46 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/269 21:07:48 <brainycmurf> skipped 21:07:50 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, status updates 21:07:52 <brainycmurf> #info CentOS Dojo @ FOSDEM 2022 https://fosdem.org/2022/ 21:07:54 <brainycmurf> #link https://hopin.com/events/centos-dojo-fosdem-2022 21:07:56 <brainycmurf> #info GNOME UI freeze, Feb 12 21:07:58 <brainycmurf> Allan new screenshots feature landed last week, suggest giving it a spin in GNOME OS 21:08:28 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting