21:06:08 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2022-02-01) 21:06:08 Meeting started Tue Feb 1 21:06:08 2022 UTC. 21:06:08 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 21:06:08 The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 21:06:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:06:08 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2022-02-01)' 21:06:08 #meetingname workstation 21:06:08 #chair Allan 21:06:08 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 21:06:08 Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 21:06:31 #info Present members: Allan, Michael, Owen, Chris, Neal 21:06:31 #info Present guests: 21:06:31 #info Regrets: Tomas, Matthias 21:06:31 #info Missing: Jens 21:06:31 #info Secretary: Chris 21:06:31 #topic Outstanding pending actions 21:06:33 #info 2m shutdown timer is too long 21:06:35 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (Matthias) 21:06:37 skipped 21:06:39 #info Improve Fedora interoperability between Ethernet and WiFi 21:06:43 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/198 (Neal) 21:06:45 Neal will circle back with NetworkManager developers and update the ticket 21:06:47 #action Neal 21:06:49 #info Consider limiting journal size 21:06:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 (Chris) 21:06:53 Chris: same situation, we just need to decide if it's important enough to possibly (likely) deviate from upstream 21:06:56 Neal: OK with moving from size-based to time-based retention, Btrfs mostly made the problem go away 21:06:59 Owen: don't entirely agree, it's arbitrarily large, it's not super important but also isn't currently optimized either, if it were compressed that would alleviate most concern 21:07:02 Chris: there's some recent systemd work upstream, possibly in v250, that changing journal files from nodatacow (and thus not compressed) to datacow at rotation time, enabling transparent btrfs compression to compress them; need to check and see if this works in practice 21:07:06 Chris, Michael, Allan, Owen - generally in favor of less retention, ~3 months; Neal in favor of 6-12 months retention 21:07:09 #info Add NetworkManager (or NetworkManager-wiifi) to protected packages for workstation? 21:07:13 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/260 (Michael) 21:07:15 #action Michael will make the change and update the ticket 21:07:17 # info User directories as Btrfs subvolumes by default 21:07:19 # link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/232 (Neal) 21:07:21 # action Neal will file an ownership upon subvol creation bug and update the ticket 21:07:23 # info Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install 21:07:25 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 (Neal) 21:07:27 #action Neal will work it this soon 21:07:29 #topic Fedora PRD 21:07:31 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 21:07:33 Some work has happened here but it's not finished; WG went through the document and made adjustments 21:07:36 #topic Orchestration API 21:07:38 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/268 21:07:40 skipped 21:07:44 #topic Ship preinstalled apps as Flatpaks 21:07:46 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/269 21:07:48 skipped 21:07:50 #topic Announcements, status updates 21:07:52 #info CentOS Dojo @ FOSDEM 2022 https://fosdem.org/2022/ 21:07:54 #link https://hopin.com/events/centos-dojo-fosdem-2022 21:07:56 #info GNOME UI freeze, Feb 12 21:07:58 Allan new screenshots feature landed last week, suggest giving it a spin in GNOME OS 21:08:28 #endmeeting