00:29:44 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2022-07-19)
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00:29:44 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
00:29:44 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
00:29:44 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
00:29:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
00:29:59 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Chris, Owen, Allan, Kalev
00:29:59 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: Luna (bittin)
00:29:59 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Matthias, Neal, Jens, Tomáš
00:29:59 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
00:29:59 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Chris
00:30:00 <brainycmurf> #topic Unfiltered Flathub
00:30:04 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/300
00:30:06 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2022-07-12/fesco.2022-07-12-17.00.log.html
00:30:08 <brainycmurf> #info Status update: FESCO rejected the change, we'll revisit and address the issues, and is deferred until F38.
00:30:11 <brainycmurf> #topic F37 release schedule
00:30:13 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/312
00:30:15 <brainycmurf> Does the F37 schedule look OK?
00:30:17 <brainycmurf> Assignees for F37 tasks (do we want to have a named workstation release person?)
00:30:19 <brainycmurf> Does the schedule template look OK?
00:30:21 <brainycmurf> #info This is a bit early, but useful to review and make sure we're on the same page with GNOME and Fedora QA folks being available.
00:30:24 <brainycmurf> Kalev is back and has been building GNOME 43, will get that into Rawhide once things are working better, there are some rough spots.
00:30:27 <brainycmurf> Michael, still trying to build 43 alpha upstream, so there's no immediate expectation that distributions can build it.
00:30:30 <brainycmurf> Kalev, also mass rebuild starts tomorrow in Fedora, so that adds some risk in getting things working in the short term since everything is broken right now anyway.
00:30:35 <brainycmurf> Allan, one of the main ideas of this is to get QA aware of our schedule so they know what to expect.
00:30:38 <brainycmurf> Kalev, flatpaks can be built again in Fedora infra, issues have been resolved. My plan is to get GNOME Shell working, then move on to Fedora flatpaks.
00:30:41 <brainycmurf> Discussion on test days, coordinating with QA, having something of a 2-week window for GNOME test week, and pick the first or second week based on how reality dictates because there's always adjustments needing to be made.
00:30:45 <brainycmurf> #topic Improve the user feedback for OOM situations
00:30:47 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/202
00:30:49 <brainycmurf> This seems to have stalled. Anything we can do?
00:30:51 <brainycmurf> Discussed some of the issues, including deciding on some details of the ui/ux we want, and then also need to find someone in the desktop realm who wants to work on this.
00:30:54 <brainycmurf> One anecdote is Ubuntu is having issues with this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2022-June/042116.html
00:30:57 <brainycmurf> #action Chris will ask around, systemd folks for a dbus api, and for a desktop developer for advice on other next steps.
00:31:00 <brainycmurf> #link https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/23606
00:31:04 <brainycmurf> #topic Stale pending-action tickets
00:31:06 <brainycmurf> #topic Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs
00:31:08 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84
00:31:10 <brainycmurf> The existing implementation is a bit hacky but it's been in place for a few releases. We know what needs to be done to improve it. Neal is on it, but it might be useful to get a small group together to talk about the particulars.
00:31:14 <brainycmurf> #topic Broadcom wireless
00:31:16 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/116
00:31:18 <brainycmurf> #action Chris still plans to do a quickdoc on a subset of the issue
00:31:20 <brainycmurf> #topic 2m shutdown timer is too long
00:31:22 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163
00:31:24 <brainycmurf> Michael, mandate that the timer should be 15 seconds and just make it reboot.
00:31:26 <brainycmurf> #agreed should be 15 seconds, and we'll ask systemd devs how to do this for Workstation/desktops
00:31:28 <brainycmurf> #action Michael to comment in the ticket
00:31:30 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements, Status Updates
00:31:34 <brainycmurf> #info The minutes from last week have been posted.
00:31:36 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-07-12/workstation.2022-07-12-19.51.log.html
00:31:39 <brainycmurf> #info GUADEC week this week in Mexico and Online with talks and the GNOME AGM
00:31:41 <brainycmurf> #link  https://events.gnome.org/event/77/
02:06:05 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting