13:59:19 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-03-14)
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13:59:19 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
13:59:19 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
13:59:19 <brainycmurf> #chair Michael
13:59:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: Michael brainycmurf
13:59:43 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Owen, Matthias, Allan, Tom, Chris, Jens, Neal
13:59:43 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: jgrulich, sumantro
13:59:43 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Kalev
13:59:43 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
13:59:43 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Allan
13:59:44 <brainycmurf> #topic Reconsider use of adwaita-qt
13:59:46 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/351
13:59:48 <brainycmurf> We've received some negative feedback about our own custom adwaita-qt theme
13:59:50 <brainycmurf> Jan has written a blog post to explain the differences between adwaita-qt and QGNOMEPlatform
13:59:52 <brainycmurf> #link https://jgrulich.cz/2023/03/08/explained-qgnomeplatform-and-adwaita-qt/
13:59:54 <brainycmurf> Hopefully the colour issue is now fixed. It's in a copr that can be used for testing.
13:59:56 <brainycmurf> #link https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jgrulich/Qt_and_GNOME_integration/
13:59:58 <brainycmurf> That leaves various other style problems. Dark mode is an issue. So is icon theme breakage.
14:00:00 <brainycmurf> Icons issue: KDE apps seem to be using Breeze-specific icons? Plasmatube was one example of the icon issue.
14:00:05 <brainycmurf> Owen: consistency with the desktop is secondary to not being broken
14:00:07 <brainycmurf> Michael: Fusion looks fine - screenshots of Ubuntu don't have the style issues we're seeing in Fedora
14:00:10 <brainycmurf> Examples of additional followup adwaita-qt style fixes can be seen here:
14:00:12 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/351#comment-845312
14:00:14 <brainycmurf> Jan's not against dropping adwaita-qt. You do get issues when apps do custom styling on top of an existing qt style. Maintaining adwaita-qt is a lot of work. Dropping it will eliminate a lot of issues. We could potentially use Breeze if it is installed.
14:00:18 <brainycmurf> Owen: Despite what I said about the availability of Breeze for Flatpaks - I'd probably prefer that we *consistently* use Fusion within GNOME rather than have Qt apps both ways based on technology.
14:00:21 <brainycmurf> A KDE runtime is being worked on for Fedora, so Flatpaked KDE apps will have the Breeze theme available
14:00:24 <brainycmurf> adwaita-qt could still be available for Fedora Media Writer, and it would still need to be around to be used for QGnomePlatform - it just wouldn't be used for the apps
14:00:27 <brainycmurf> Various options available for Fedora Media Writer - could have the styling internally, or we could investigate using Fusion
14:00:30 <brainycmurf> #agree We'll stop using adwaita-qt for apps. Michael to summarise in the ticket.
14:00:32 <brainycmurf> Neal would prefer us to use a different theme other than Fusion - he'll make a suggestion in the ticket
14:00:37 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora test day QA results
14:00:39 <brainycmurf> #link https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/150
14:00:41 <brainycmurf> #link https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/151
14:00:43 <brainycmurf> Lots of crash reports for gnome-contacts
14:00:45 <brainycmurf> Results and format seems improved since last release. Upstream issue reports are good to see.
14:00:47 <brainycmurf> Couple of issues with the background
14:00:49 <brainycmurf> #link https://github.com/fedoradesign/backgrounds/issues/48
14:00:51 <brainycmurf> #link https://github.com/fedoradesign/backgrounds/issues/47
14:00:53 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora 38 final blockers
14:00:55 <brainycmurf> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/38/final/buglist
14:00:57 <brainycmurf> 5 bugs proposed / 4 bug approved for the Workstation related components
14:00:59 <brainycmurf> So far we're in good shape, but there are more proposed blockers coming in
14:01:01 <brainycmurf> Good to see photos and calendar proposed blockers being rejected
14:01:05 <brainycmurf> Proposed:
14:01:07 <brainycmurf> #info 1: evince: Evince crashes when closing a PDF (a race condition) - MODIFIED
14:01:09 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2178016
14:01:11 <brainycmurf> Status: Fix verified, waits for an official build
14:01:13 <brainycmurf> #info 2: gnome-calendar: After a few searches, search no longer works and cpu is at 100% - POST
14:01:15 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177992
14:01:17 <brainycmurf> Status: Fixed and verified upstream, waits for an official build
14:01:19 <brainycmurf> #info 3: gnome-calendar: Crash/Hang when clicking a modified Google event right after editing it (due to the preview popover) - NEW
14:01:22 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177993 / https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calendar/-/issues/986
14:01:25 <brainycmurf> Status: Needs to be fixed
14:01:27 <brainycmurf> #info 4: gnome-maps: A quick movement breaks tile rendering, gets you banned at the server - POST
14:01:29 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177995
14:01:31 <brainycmurf> Status: Fixed upstream, waits for an official build
14:01:35 <brainycmurf> #info 5: mutter: Crash when using Win+P shortcut - NEW
14:01:37 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177982 / https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/2694
14:01:40 <brainycmurf> Status: Needs to be fixed
14:01:42 <brainycmurf> Approved:
14:01:44 <brainycmurf> #info 1: gnome-shell: Logout/reboot/poweroff timeout leaves the session in a broken state, doesn't perform the action - NEW
14:01:47 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2177853 / https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/6506
14:01:50 <brainycmurf> Status: Needs to be fixed
14:01:52 <brainycmurf> #info 2: gtk4: With GTK 4.9.1 , Nautilus' target for "Move To" or "Copy To" operations is unexpected and can be invalid - POST
14:01:55 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2173891
14:01:57 <brainycmurf> Status: Fixed upstream, waits for an official build
14:01:59 <brainycmurf> #info 3: mutter: Session crash when reverting Display settings - POST
14:02:01 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2175809
14:02:05 <brainycmurf> Status: Fixed upstream, waits for an official build
14:02:07 <brainycmurf> #info 4: nautilus: Dragging files is Nautilus doesn't work as expected, quick movements result in a selection box instead - NEW
14:02:10 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2176766 / https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/2844#note_1697453
14:02:13 <brainycmurf> Status: Fix (revert of the offending commit) proposed upstream - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/merge_requests/1151
14:02:16 <brainycmurf> #topic Broadcom wireless
14:02:18 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/116
14:02:20 <brainycmurf> Deferred to next week
14:02:22 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
14:02:24 <brainycmurf> #info GUADEC 2023 call for papers is open until March 27th
14:02:26 <brainycmurf> #link https://foundation.gnome.org/2023/02/24/guadec-2023-cfp/
14:02:28 <brainycmurf> #info Last week's meeting minutes posted
14:02:30 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-03-09/workstation.2023-03-09-02.08.log.html
14:04:05 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting