00:55:13 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-03-28)
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00:55:13 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
00:55:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
00:55:13 <brainycmurf> #chair Michael
00:55:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: Michael brainycmurf
00:55:33 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Tomas, Matthias, Kalev, Jens, Chris, Allan, Neal (late)
00:55:33 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: Martin Kolman, Jonas Adahl, Carlos Garnacho
00:55:33 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Owen
00:55:33 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
00:55:33 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Tomas
00:55:34 <brainycmurf> #topic Fedora 38 final blockers
00:55:36 <brainycmurf> #link https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/38/final/buglist
00:55:38 <brainycmurf> 0 bugs proposed / 1 bug approved for the Workstation related components
00:55:40 <brainycmurf> Approved:
00:55:42 <brainycmurf> #info 1: crypto-policies: Insecure installed RPMs (like Google Chrome) prevent system updates in F38, can't be removed - ASSIGNED
00:55:45 <brainycmurf> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2170878
00:55:47 <brainycmurf> Status: Another problematic repository (Anydesk) was identified, where Sequoia deducted that the signing key was created from a certificate that was at that time already expired (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2170878#c124). As it really doesn't relate to SHA-1 and others like few weeks ago, the current proposal (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2170878#c129) is that we will waive this (the RPM will fail
00:55:52 <brainycmurf> to install/update) and Common Issue entry will be created for Fedora 38.
00:55:54 <brainycmurf> #topic Discuss proposal of having Web UI installer for Fedora 39 Workstation
00:55:56 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/362
00:55:58 <brainycmurf> Anaconda team is looking for a list of missing things in the Web UI installed that are required by us - the list was prepared by Allan https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/362#comment-847926, but it's not complete. The open question is how the Web UI based Anaconda compares to other distributions and whether some gaps there will be addressed in the future releases (i.e. dual boot). Martin mentions the complexity of the
00:56:05 <brainycmurf> backend that needs to adapt to i.e. Windows 11 changes, but he agrees that it's important. For the keyboard layout switching the Anaconda team would prefer if they could get the information from the environment, but for that it will need to be set by i.e. GNOME Initial Setup - FWWG needs to identify whether we will have the capacity to implement it for Fedora 39.
00:56:10 <brainycmurf> #action FWWG needs to identify whether we will have the capacity to implement the keyboard layout handling for Fedora 39
00:56:13 <brainycmurf> #topic Fractional scaling
00:56:15 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/357
00:56:17 <brainycmurf> The main problem is the mix of low and high DPI applications on the same screen due to limits of the X11. The question is whether we can enable the experimental gsetting key enabled by default. Jonas says that if we will do it, then application that are not handling HiDPI themselves might be broken as we are telling the Xwayland server that all the displays are low DPI (and then it upscales them to high DPI). KDE does it in another
00:56:22 <brainycmurf> way (saying that all the displays are high DPI) and then it downscales them. Both approaches can't handle all applications. There are possible workaround that could be done for X11 apps (such as setting ridiculously big fonts, but the icons will be small), but they do have their own problems. Allan was wondering when the Electron apps will be native Wayland ones - Jonas said that it's more or less implemented, but he don't know
00:56:27 <brainycmurf> when it will get to distros. The proposal is to enable it by default - Ubuntu has it enabled as well, but Allan is concerned that users won't be informed that some applications might be broken (according to Jonas it will be all low dpi applications on high dpi monitor). Should GNOME implement what KDE does including all the X11 hackery? Jonas is neutral and Carlos is mostly against due to its long term effects.
00:56:34 <brainycmurf> #action Allan will investigate design where to put the option into GNOME Control Center (is enough what Ubuntu does?)
00:56:37 <brainycmurf> #action Allan will look into how to pass a message on the user that the low DPI applications might be broken if the experimental gsetting is turned on
00:56:40 <brainycmurf> #topic Broadcom wireless
00:56:42 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/116
00:56:44 <brainycmurf> defered to next week
00:56:46 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
00:56:48 <brainycmurf> Flock to Fedora in Ireland this year! https://flocktofedora.org/
00:56:50 <brainycmurf> #info Last week's meeting minutes posted
00:56:52 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-03-22/workstation.2023-03-22-01.47.log.html
01:42:20 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting