00:58:15 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-05-30) 00:58:15 Meeting started Wed May 31 00:58:15 2023 UTC. 00:58:15 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 00:58:15 The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 00:58:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 00:58:15 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2023-05-30)' 00:58:15 #meetingname workstation 00:58:15 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 00:58:15 #chair Allan 00:58:15 Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 00:58:36 #info Present members: Allan, Michael, Tomas, Kalev, Matthias, Chris, Jens, Owen, Neal 00:58:36 #info Guests: 00:58:36 #info Regrets: N 00:58:36 #info Missing: 00:58:36 #info Secretary: Chris 00:58:37 #topic Enable full preemption 00:58:39 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 00:58:41 It's recently come up on devel@ 00:58:43 We're ready to do it - just not sure how. Might need to be a desktop only thing, with Anaconda being responsible for setting it. 00:58:46 It can either be set at kernel compile time or as a kernel parameter. 00:58:48 It's likely going to remain opt in rather than opt out. 00:58:50 Any hope of setting it on the command line for upgrades? Would need to be able to safely modify the boot loader configuration files. There might need to a script that inserts the boot parameter. 00:58:53 Hopefully it will land for F39. 00:58:55 #action Chris to write a change proposal 00:58:57 #topic Discussion about setting up a Silverblue SIG 00:58:59 #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/proposing-a-silverblue-sig/82925 00:59:01 Unclear where this proposal is going. What should the WG's role be? 00:59:03 Tomas: not sure a SIG is a good idea yet 00:59:07 Owen: main decision organizationally, should Silverblue SIG be made a sub to the working group or not? 00:59:10 Allan: lack of formal organization is understandably frustrating for some in the community; clarifying that relationship, even if some of us are in an advisory capacity could be useful. 00:59:13 Owen: we could put that in the charter, Silverblue is an OSTree version of Workstation, keeping them as close as possible, even so far as to say it's a two way street. Explicitly saying keeping them close as possible would be good. 00:59:17 Tomas is working on a response to the Discussion thread. There are various issues including where issues are tracked (currently on Github). 00:59:20 #agreed Do we think that the Silverblue SIG should be a subgroup of the Workstation WG? Probably not necessary, if there's an agreement that Silverblue shouldn't deviate from Workstation. Also if a few of us participate in the SIG. 00:59:24 #action Tomas to post on the thread and some of us to engage with the SIG discussion 00:59:26 Owen: SIG could be a who shows up meeting, worked by consensus, and then see if the structure needs more formalizing 00:59:29 #topic Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install 00:59:31 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 00:59:33 Looks like this was accepted as an F39 change. Is there anything to do other than making sure that it's preinstalled for 39? 00:59:38 #agreed Deferred until we have Neal 00:59:40 #topic Consider limiting journal size 00:59:42 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 00:59:44 We had a proposal that seemed to get a positive response, but nothing has happened since. What ar ehe next steps? 00:59:47 #action Chris will circle back with systemd upstream and write up a change proposal if it's ready 00:59:49 #topic Red Hat Bugzilla: GNOME packages are in bad shape 00:59:51 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/131 00:59:53 Tomas is still working on it, but needs to speak to Matthew Miller about some aspects of the plan. 00:59:56 #agreed Start with a smaller subset of packages (maybe the ones where the upstream is gitlab.gnome.org) 00:59:59 #action Tomas will talk to Matthew Miller. Allan will summarize in the ticket. 01:00:01 #topic Announcements and status updates 01:00:03 Continue to work through the issues next week, and clean out the ones that just aren't likely to get any action. 01:00:08 #info The minutes from last meeting have been posted online: 01:00:10 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-24/workstation.2023-05-24-17.46.log.html 01:00:13 #endmeeting