03:13:27 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-06-13)
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03:13:27 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
03:13:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation'
03:13:27 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
03:13:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Chris, Tomas, Matthias, Allan, Kalev, Owen
03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Guests:
03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Jens
03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Missing: Neal
03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Kalev
03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #topic Anaconda UI in F39
03:13:42 <brainycmurf> jkonecky has an announcement: have both the old and new UI in F39 side by side. Web UI the default and gtk UI (current one) would be the fallback solution.
03:13:45 <brainycmurf> Owen: Not very much in faviour. Makes it like the final release is a beta test. We should instead decide which one is the default and have documentation how to use the other one. Showing up both is asking our users do beta testing.
03:13:49 <brainycmurf> jkonecky: That's even easier for us.
03:13:51 <brainycmurf> Michael: We are still working on the gnome-initial-setup live mode. Hopefully will be ready in this release cycle. Ray has done most of the work and Michael is working on it right now.
03:13:56 <brainycmurf> #topic LibreOffice maintenance
03:13:58 <brainycmurf> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/46ZZ6GZ2W3G4OJYX3BIWTAW75H37TVW6/
03:14:01 <brainycmurf> Kalev: Community is trying to organize a LibreOffice SIG so that several people would be co-maintaining it.
03:14:04 <brainycmurf> tpopela: That includes Stephan, who's been involved with LibreOffice previously.
03:14:06 <brainycmurf> Owen: Even if we think we don't need LibreOffice, dropping it for F39 would look like a vote of no confidence in the comunity and we should not drop it because of that.
03:14:09 <brainycmurf> Everybody agrees to give time to see how it works out.
03:14:11 <brainycmurf> Discussion about having apps available as flatpaks vs needing to include them in the default install.
03:14:14 <brainycmurf> Owen: There's an idea about system apps that are part of the system, and other apps. System apps would make sense to keep at the same major version as GNOME. Unsure where the line between system apps and other apps goes.
03:14:18 <brainycmurf> Consensus to keep LibreOffice.
03:14:20 <brainycmurf> #topic Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install
03:14:24 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242
03:14:26 <brainycmurf> Looks like this was accepted as an F39 change. Is there anything to do other than making sure that it's preinstalled for 39?
03:14:29 <brainycmurf> Neal item and we don't have Neal today. Maybe the new web UI changes something here? Discuss in the ticket.
03:14:32 <brainycmurf> #topic Review pending-action issues
03:14:34 <brainycmurf> #info Around 50% (25 of 48) of our open issues have the `pending-action` tag
03:14:36 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?tags=pending-action&status=Open
03:14:38 <brainycmurf> About half are tagged with pending-action, which maybe defeats the purpose. Also quite a lot of old issues where someone promised to do something years ago and haven't gotten around. We might have to clean some of these out.
03:14:42 <brainycmurf> Breakdown:
03:14:44 <brainycmurf> * 2 don't have a specified action (#264, #166)
03:14:46 <brainycmurf> * 4 can't be acted on yet, or are waiting for an external party (#130, #364, #242, #84) - maybe need a different tag?
03:14:49 <brainycmurf> * 1 is probably obsolete (#136)
03:14:51 <brainycmurf> * 1 is a backburner research exercise (#288)
03:14:55 <brainycmurf> Leaderboard:
03:14:57 <brainycmurf> * 7 Neal (really 9, but 3 of them are basically the same action)
03:14:59 <brainycmurf> * 4 Allan
03:15:01 <brainycmurf> * 3 Michael
03:15:03 <brainycmurf> * 3 Owen
03:15:05 <brainycmurf> * 2 Chris
03:15:07 <brainycmurf> * 1 Tomas
03:15:09 <brainycmurf> * 1 Jens
03:15:11 <brainycmurf> Let's review the list: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/pending-action-list
03:15:13 <brainycmurf> #info Ticket #337 consider fedora-toolbox a release artifact
03:15:15 <brainycmurf> #action Propose to close and defer to Debarshi. Allan to check with Jens before doing this.
03:15:17 <brainycmurf> #info Ticket #313 Move Fedora bookmarks to Fedora start page
03:15:19 <brainycmurf> #action Put this on the pile to find a new assignee
03:15:21 <brainycmurf> #info #310 Update the QA tests cases for the preinstalled workstation apps
03:15:25 <brainycmurf> #action Clarify the status of the issue, try and find volunteers
03:15:27 <brainycmurf> #info #293 Improve the quality of the desktop wallpapers & ensure they're maintained
03:15:29 <brainycmurf> #action Needs discussion about best course of action
03:15:31 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
03:15:33 <brainycmurf> Minutes from two weeks ago:
03:15:35 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-31/workstation.2023-05-31-00.58.log.html
03:15:38 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting