03:13:27 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-06-13) 03:13:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jun 15 03:13:27 2023 UTC. 03:13:27 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 03:13:27 <zodbot> The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 03:13:27 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 03:13:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2023-06-13)' 03:13:27 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation 03:13:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 03:13:27 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan 03:13:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Michael, Chris, Tomas, Matthias, Allan, Kalev, Owen 03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: 03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets: Jens 03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Missing: Neal 03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Kalev 03:13:40 <brainycmurf> #topic Anaconda UI in F39 03:13:42 <brainycmurf> jkonecky has an announcement: have both the old and new UI in F39 side by side. Web UI the default and gtk UI (current one) would be the fallback solution. 03:13:45 <brainycmurf> Owen: Not very much in faviour. Makes it like the final release is a beta test. We should instead decide which one is the default and have documentation how to use the other one. Showing up both is asking our users do beta testing. 03:13:49 <brainycmurf> jkonecky: That's even easier for us. 03:13:51 <brainycmurf> Michael: We are still working on the gnome-initial-setup live mode. Hopefully will be ready in this release cycle. Ray has done most of the work and Michael is working on it right now. 03:13:56 <brainycmurf> #topic LibreOffice maintenance 03:13:58 <brainycmurf> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/46ZZ6GZ2W3G4OJYX3BIWTAW75H37TVW6/ 03:14:01 <brainycmurf> Kalev: Community is trying to organize a LibreOffice SIG so that several people would be co-maintaining it. 03:14:04 <brainycmurf> tpopela: That includes Stephan, who's been involved with LibreOffice previously. 03:14:06 <brainycmurf> Owen: Even if we think we don't need LibreOffice, dropping it for F39 would look like a vote of no confidence in the comunity and we should not drop it because of that. 03:14:09 <brainycmurf> Everybody agrees to give time to see how it works out. 03:14:11 <brainycmurf> Discussion about having apps available as flatpaks vs needing to include them in the default install. 03:14:14 <brainycmurf> Owen: There's an idea about system apps that are part of the system, and other apps. System apps would make sense to keep at the same major version as GNOME. Unsure where the line between system apps and other apps goes. 03:14:18 <brainycmurf> Consensus to keep LibreOffice. 03:14:20 <brainycmurf> #topic Automatically uninstalling Anaconda post-install 03:14:24 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 03:14:26 <brainycmurf> Looks like this was accepted as an F39 change. Is there anything to do other than making sure that it's preinstalled for 39? 03:14:29 <brainycmurf> Neal item and we don't have Neal today. Maybe the new web UI changes something here? Discuss in the ticket. 03:14:32 <brainycmurf> #topic Review pending-action issues 03:14:34 <brainycmurf> #info Around 50% (25 of 48) of our open issues have the `pending-action` tag 03:14:36 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?tags=pending-action&status=Open 03:14:38 <brainycmurf> About half are tagged with pending-action, which maybe defeats the purpose. Also quite a lot of old issues where someone promised to do something years ago and haven't gotten around. We might have to clean some of these out. 03:14:42 <brainycmurf> Breakdown: 03:14:44 <brainycmurf> * 2 don't have a specified action (#264, #166) 03:14:46 <brainycmurf> * 4 can't be acted on yet, or are waiting for an external party (#130, #364, #242, #84) - maybe need a different tag? 03:14:49 <brainycmurf> * 1 is probably obsolete (#136) 03:14:51 <brainycmurf> * 1 is a backburner research exercise (#288) 03:14:55 <brainycmurf> Leaderboard: 03:14:57 <brainycmurf> * 7 Neal (really 9, but 3 of them are basically the same action) 03:14:59 <brainycmurf> * 4 Allan 03:15:01 <brainycmurf> * 3 Michael 03:15:03 <brainycmurf> * 3 Owen 03:15:05 <brainycmurf> * 2 Chris 03:15:07 <brainycmurf> * 1 Tomas 03:15:09 <brainycmurf> * 1 Jens 03:15:11 <brainycmurf> Let's review the list: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/pending-action-list 03:15:13 <brainycmurf> #info Ticket #337 consider fedora-toolbox a release artifact 03:15:15 <brainycmurf> #action Propose to close and defer to Debarshi. Allan to check with Jens before doing this. 03:15:17 <brainycmurf> #info Ticket #313 Move Fedora bookmarks to Fedora start page 03:15:19 <brainycmurf> #action Put this on the pile to find a new assignee 03:15:21 <brainycmurf> #info #310 Update the QA tests cases for the preinstalled workstation apps 03:15:25 <brainycmurf> #action Clarify the status of the issue, try and find volunteers 03:15:27 <brainycmurf> #info #293 Improve the quality of the desktop wallpapers & ensure they're maintained 03:15:29 <brainycmurf> #action Needs discussion about best course of action 03:15:31 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates 03:15:33 <brainycmurf> Minutes from two weeks ago: 03:15:35 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-05-31/workstation.2023-05-31-00.58.log.html 03:15:38 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting