21:08:07 <brainycmurf> #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-06-27)
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21:08:07 <brainycmurf> #meetingname workstation
21:08:07 <brainycmurf> #chair Allan
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21:08:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf
21:08:24 <brainycmurf> #info Present members: Allan, Kalev, Chris, Neal, Tomas, Matthias, Owen
21:08:24 <brainycmurf> #info Guests: Jiri, Ondrej,
21:08:24 <brainycmurf> #info Regrets:
21:08:24 <brainycmurf> #info Missing:
21:08:24 <brainycmurf> #info Secretary: Jens
21:08:25 <brainycmurf> #topic Discuss proposal of having Web UI installer for Fedora 39 Workstation
21:08:27 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/362
21:08:29 <brainycmurf> Various scheduling questions:
21:08:31 <brainycmurf> * Will the initial setup live user mode be ready for GNOME 45? (Less than 6 weeks until UI freeze...)
21:08:36 <brainycmurf> Michael planning to work on this
21:08:38 <brainycmurf> * When will we evaluate the readiness of the new web UI?
21:08:40 <brainycmurf> Jiri: live image support was merged into ImageBuilder, but 8th August general completion deadline
21:08:42 <brainycmurf> Could use either ImageBuilder or older Live Image creator tooling
21:08:44 <brainycmurf> * When and how will we do integration testing and polish?
21:08:46 <brainycmurf> Would be good to have live images early for testing
21:08:48 <brainycmurf> Allen: basic UI integration testing with gnome-shell needs to happen earlier
21:08:50 <brainycmurf> Jiri: initial live images should be available soon
21:08:52 <brainycmurf> #topic Auto first boot services
21:08:54 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84
21:08:56 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242
21:08:58 <brainycmurf> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutoFirstBootServices
21:09:00 <brainycmurf> Looks like this was accepted as an F39 change. Is there anything to do other than making sure that it's preinstalled for 39?
21:09:05 <brainycmurf> Neal thinking to withdraw the Change since not clear how to detect if the network up and handle errors
21:09:08 <brainycmurf> Kalev thinks initial-setup could handle it
21:09:10 <brainycmurf> Michael gnome-software is probably the best place and more useful than initial-setup
21:09:12 <brainycmurf> Jens: that's what we did for langpacks installation
21:09:14 <brainycmurf> Kalev remembers it being a gnome-software plugin
21:09:16 <brainycmurf> Anaconda could be removed at the end of installation: better than from the booting system...
21:09:18 <brainycmurf> #action ask Milan about getting Software to install the openh264 codec
21:09:20 <brainycmurf> #topic User directories as Btrfs subvolumes by default (2 years)
21:09:22 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/232
21:09:24 <brainycmurf> This issue is outstanding from our pending-action review.
21:09:26 <brainycmurf> Neal: not currently urgent, not sure how to config defaults for shadow-utils under btrfs
21:09:28 <brainycmurf> Btrfs encryption can be of a file, directory or a subvolume
21:09:30 <brainycmurf> Owen: needed to do home dir backups
21:09:32 <brainycmurf> #topic F39 test days
21:09:36 <brainycmurf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/380
21:09:38 <brainycmurf> Kalev tracking next two gnome releases: how about August after the Beta release (which is ~Aug 5)?
21:09:41 <brainycmurf> which is some weeks before Fedora Beta freeze
21:09:43 <brainycmurf> Having two testweeks may result in less testing the second time
21:09:45 <brainycmurf> #topic Announcements and status updates
21:09:47 <brainycmurf> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImproveDefaultFontHandling
21:09:49 <brainycmurf> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Indic_Noto_fonts
21:09:51 <brainycmurf> Kalev will do Gnome Alpha builds, then vacation and return for Beta builds
21:09:53 <brainycmurf> - need to check for new upstream packages too (like tecla and loupe (many rust deps!))
21:09:55 <brainycmurf> Holidays next week (US and Czech)
21:09:57 <brainycmurf> Minutes from last week:
21:09:59 <brainycmurf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-06-22/workstation.2023-06-22-15.40.log.html
21:10:02 <brainycmurf> #endmeeting