21:08:07 #startmeeting Workstation WG (2023-06-27) 21:08:07 Meeting started Tue Jun 27 21:08:07 2023 UTC. 21:08:07 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 21:08:07 The chair is brainycmurf. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 21:08:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 21:08:07 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation_wg_(2023-06-27)' 21:08:07 #meetingname workstation 21:08:07 #chair Allan 21:08:07 The meeting name has been set to 'workstation' 21:08:07 Current chairs: Allan brainycmurf 21:08:24 #info Present members: Allan, Kalev, Chris, Neal, Tomas, Matthias, Owen 21:08:24 #info Guests: Jiri, Ondrej, 21:08:24 #info Regrets: 21:08:24 #info Missing: 21:08:24 #info Secretary: Jens 21:08:25 #topic Discuss proposal of having Web UI installer for Fedora 39 Workstation 21:08:27 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/362 21:08:29 Various scheduling questions: 21:08:31 * Will the initial setup live user mode be ready for GNOME 45? (Less than 6 weeks until UI freeze...) 21:08:36 Michael planning to work on this 21:08:38 * When will we evaluate the readiness of the new web UI? 21:08:40 Jiri: live image support was merged into ImageBuilder, but 8th August general completion deadline 21:08:42 Could use either ImageBuilder or older Live Image creator tooling 21:08:44 * When and how will we do integration testing and polish? 21:08:46 Would be good to have live images early for testing 21:08:48 Allen: basic UI integration testing with gnome-shell needs to happen earlier 21:08:50 Jiri: initial live images should be available soon 21:08:52 #topic Auto first boot services 21:08:54 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 21:08:56 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/242 21:08:58 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AutoFirstBootServices 21:09:00 Looks like this was accepted as an F39 change. Is there anything to do other than making sure that it's preinstalled for 39? 21:09:05 Neal thinking to withdraw the Change since not clear how to detect if the network up and handle errors 21:09:08 Kalev thinks initial-setup could handle it 21:09:10 Michael gnome-software is probably the best place and more useful than initial-setup 21:09:12 Jens: that's what we did for langpacks installation 21:09:14 Kalev remembers it being a gnome-software plugin 21:09:16 Anaconda could be removed at the end of installation: better than from the booting system... 21:09:18 #action ask Milan about getting Software to install the openh264 codec 21:09:20 #topic User directories as Btrfs subvolumes by default (2 years) 21:09:22 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/232 21:09:24 This issue is outstanding from our pending-action review. 21:09:26 Neal: not currently urgent, not sure how to config defaults for shadow-utils under btrfs 21:09:28 Btrfs encryption can be of a file, directory or a subvolume 21:09:30 Owen: needed to do home dir backups 21:09:32 #topic F39 test days 21:09:36 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/380 21:09:38 Kalev tracking next two gnome releases: how about August after the Beta release (which is ~Aug 5)? 21:09:41 which is some weeks before Fedora Beta freeze 21:09:43 Having two testweeks may result in less testing the second time 21:09:45 #topic Announcements and status updates 21:09:47 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImproveDefaultFontHandling 21:09:49 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Indic_Noto_fonts 21:09:51 Kalev will do Gnome Alpha builds, then vacation and return for Beta builds 21:09:53 - need to check for new upstream packages too (like tecla and loupe (many rust deps!)) 21:09:55 Holidays next week (US and Czech) 21:09:57 Minutes from last week: 21:09:59 #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-06-22/workstation.2023-06-22-15.40.log.html 21:10:02 #endmeeting